I want to start by apologizing for closing the last thread. I am new to this site and did not realize I did that. The only reason I started a thread was to help the user who stated that they got a sick puppy through our website. We stand behind every puppy that is sold through our website and I was looking to rectify the situation as I was not aware of what was going on. I have yet to hear back from that particular person so I'm not really sure if there was a problem or not?? I know if I had a sick puppy...I would be contacting everybody that was involved.
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They are part of this dirty business and are receiving revenue from cruelty. So yeah, I have made my opinion known. PaddingtonandMe....I see you are from Lancaster County, PA...an area well known for puppymills. Makes me wonder why you defend this guy.
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I was thinking the same thing, So Cavalier. It's a little suspicious that the one person defending this guy who deals with puppy mills lives in Puppy Mill Central.
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Something being legal doesn't make it morally OK.
It's incredibly skeezy to me even if it was just "advertising" mills. I would argue with that since they ended up here, they are capable of using google and can say "Why, these people were arrested for their actions! I shouldn't tell people to buy puppies from them." Spend any amount of time working with dogs from mill busts. It's awful and there is no way you'd continue defending the actions of "just" advertising.
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For those who missed it on the other thread, here's my post.
I searched the website owner's name and found that he has another business/website with the exact same design and selling even more puppies. This one had more of the breeder's full names listed so I did some searches on them.
See below a little bit of the info....
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Scary that they are selling dogs like Presas over the net to anyone with a credit card. I'm not even sure I'd be confident to raise a Presa (especially one from a bad breeder) so I'd bet the type of people that would buy one on a site like this would not be safe and suitable owners.
Just google some of the breeder's names for the pups advertised there and you'll find link after link from legit sources detailing some very interesting background information. The variety of creative registries is interesting too: ACA, ACHC (American Canine Hybrid Club) for example
I found this article for that mentions several breeders in that area of the country with last names that match several of those advertising on the Greenfield site. Large numbers of dogs, no surprise there
110 breeding females and 23 breeding males on 2.8 acres?? I can't imagine keeping a minimum of 133 dogs (of course there are puppies too but an unknown number) on a property the size of about 6-7 typical suburban home lots.
I searched the website owner's name and found that he has another business/website with the exact same design and selling even more puppies. This one had more of the breeder's full names listed so I did some searches on them.
See below a little bit of the info....
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The other press release from Greenfield on that site is interesting too, since it is about a "rare" blue pit bull puppy. It is bad some kid's puppy got stolen, but calling blue pits rare is a classic move to sell them for more money when really they are a dime a dozen in shelters and definitely not rare since they suffer from massive overbreeding.
Scary that they are selling dogs like Presas over the net to anyone with a credit card. I'm not even sure I'd be confident to raise a Presa (especially one from a bad breeder) so I'd bet the type of people that would buy one on a site like this would not be safe and suitable owners.
Just google some of the breeder's names for the pups advertised there and you'll find link after link from legit sources detailing some very interesting background information. The variety of creative registries is interesting too: ACA, ACHC (American Canine Hybrid Club) for example
I found this article for that mentions several breeders in that area of the country with last names that match several of those advertising on the Greenfield site. Large numbers of dogs, no surprise there
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110 breeding females and 23 breeding males on 2.8 acres?? I can't imagine keeping a minimum of 133 dogs (of course there are puppies too but an unknown number) on a property the size of about 6-7 typical suburban home lots.
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Paddington,
While you are correct that they are merely providing an advertising service for the actual breeders. In previous posts Keystone asserted that they verified the operating environment of each of the "breeders" that advertises on their site. They did this by physically going to each location and making sure all the puppies and parents were "healthy" and in "good" conditions. They also stated that they would NEVER advertise for breeders who didn't meet their criteria for "healthy" breeding and care practices AND would drop them from their service if problems cropped up. Coincidentally, they never did explain the specific criteria they used for evaluation, despite being asked repeatedly.
Since the majority of the breeders advertised on their site have been cited for numerous violations, many having had dogs confiscated and some are currently under investigation for deplorable living conditions and breeding practices I can't possibly believe their claims. So, while they are technically still an advertising site they stepped over the line, and drew the much deserved ire of this community, when they started guaranteeing the conditions and health of the "products" they advertise. The website took on that responsibility when they made claims of vetting and endorsing the products contained there in. Which is precisely why advertisers of other products often have DISCLAIMERS that state allowing an advertisement to run is NOT an endorsement of or support for the product or any of the claims contained in the advertisement.
While you are correct that they are merely providing an advertising service for the actual breeders. In previous posts Keystone asserted that they verified the operating environment of each of the "breeders" that advertises on their site. They did this by physically going to each location and making sure all the puppies and parents were "healthy" and in "good" conditions. They also stated that they would NEVER advertise for breeders who didn't meet their criteria for "healthy" breeding and care practices AND would drop them from their service if problems cropped up. Coincidentally, they never did explain the specific criteria they used for evaluation, despite being asked repeatedly.
Since the majority of the breeders advertised on their site have been cited for numerous violations, many having had dogs confiscated and some are currently under investigation for deplorable living conditions and breeding practices I can't possibly believe their claims. So, while they are technically still an advertising site they stepped over the line, and drew the much deserved ire of this community, when they started guaranteeing the conditions and health of the "products" they advertise. The website took on that responsibility when they made claims of vetting and endorsing the products contained there in. Which is precisely why advertisers of other products often have DISCLAIMERS that state allowing an advertisement to run is NOT an endorsement of or support for the product or any of the claims contained in the advertisement.
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Accusing me of defending puppy mills just because i HAPPEN to live in Lancaster County is extremely rude. Im done with this thread now. Thanks Emmet for the better explanations of the facts of the breeders that he is advertising for though, i did not see those. In that case he should be ashamed of some of his clients, but through all of the large amounts of repeat jabbed posts i didnt see the facts from the other side, just mean jabs like the one towards me.
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So whose fault is that? You chose to defend the guy.
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The facts were clearly posted multiple times in both of this guy's threads, as well as a bunch of questions that he refused to answer, and his assertions that all breeders are in it for the money, AND his admission that he bred his own cavachons with no health testing, among other things.
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Well the only strong points i saw with linked proof was the last two i just got pointed to, which were hidden in pages upon pages of little stuff like this. Shell and Emmet have now shown me links to find things in all this chaos so now i see the story better. Hard to follow otherwise, it just seems like everyone ganging up on one guy who is flustered and cant give answers. Now i see it is everyone ganging up on one guy that doesnt do good enough background checks and needs to rethink his business and follow the one suggestion i saw of maybe trying to advertise shelter animals or something instead. Which is much more acceptable to gang up on for, so now i can agree that the defendant is guilty of running a bad business. And i can now also see that i apparently am a bad person for living in a nice country setting without toxic pollution fumes and noise...
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Your failure to read the posts in the thread thoroughly is no ones fault but your own. The information is all here or linked to from this thread. You just skimmed over it and assumed we were all being horrible and "attacking" the OP and jumped to their defense without understanding the situation. Again that's on you for not bothering to read the information.
It really wouldn't even be ganging up on the OP even if we didn't have all this information about them as they started the thread asking for questions about their business. They simply didn't count on the level of dog savvy from this forum to see through his websites failings.
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I spent an hour reading it all and saw barrages of unanswered questions, remarks about my hometown, and a few links here and there of hard evidence that took a long time to find until they were pointed out for me. But ive already said that i see it now, its over, thanks for pointing them out to me, now you can take back the attacks on me for my hometown and me coming to the defense of something that looked at first appearance like a ganging up which i have experienced so much i have vowed to help people in need. I said thrice now that im sorry i missed the things, you can please drop it now. Im now anti-Keystone Puppies.
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Well the only breed I have looked at on the site was ACDs......
That one year health guarantee? Yea Worthless....
Hip Dysplasia - Not likely to rear its ugly head in an ACD before 3-4.
PRCD- 5-6 years
PRCD4 - Oh about 8 years
PLL- 4-7 years
Elbow dysplasia - 3-4 or later
Some of the puppies have photos of a parent or parents on their page....
The word AWFUL is not good enough....
Incorrect colors, body spots to start with.... And there are reasons for colors and the way they are in ACDs... Body spots happen.... And are not disqualifying. But there are body spots all over these dogs.... Looks to me like they are trying to get full masks....
Then lets see....
1) Bow Legs
2) droopy eye lids are a re occurring them. A cattle dog that cannot see DIES! Not that anyone is going to work these dogs. Droopy eyelids also let dust, dirt and trash in the cunjunctive tissue of the eye.
3) the angles and how the legs come to the body etc are all wrong. Very straight, no turn of stifle, then about twice the slope of croup.....
) I thought one picture was of a bitch, then I saw the boy hardware.... If it had been a bitch, I would have called it lacking in substance and thin in build. But it is a male.... Frail is more like it. NO substance... Spindley.... AWFUL.....
These are NOT what ACDs should be.... These dogs should be able to stand up to wild woods cattle... The adults on that site, would have a hard time standing up to my wife's 17 year old cat with no claws.
That one year health guarantee? Yea Worthless....
Hip Dysplasia - Not likely to rear its ugly head in an ACD before 3-4.
PRCD- 5-6 years
PRCD4 - Oh about 8 years
PLL- 4-7 years
Elbow dysplasia - 3-4 or later
Some of the puppies have photos of a parent or parents on their page....
The word AWFUL is not good enough....
Incorrect colors, body spots to start with.... And there are reasons for colors and the way they are in ACDs... Body spots happen.... And are not disqualifying. But there are body spots all over these dogs.... Looks to me like they are trying to get full masks....
Then lets see....
1) Bow Legs
2) droopy eye lids are a re occurring them. A cattle dog that cannot see DIES! Not that anyone is going to work these dogs. Droopy eyelids also let dust, dirt and trash in the cunjunctive tissue of the eye.
3) the angles and how the legs come to the body etc are all wrong. Very straight, no turn of stifle, then about twice the slope of croup.....
) I thought one picture was of a bitch, then I saw the boy hardware.... If it had been a bitch, I would have called it lacking in substance and thin in build. But it is a male.... Frail is more like it. NO substance... Spindley.... AWFUL.....
These are NOT what ACDs should be.... These dogs should be able to stand up to wild woods cattle... The adults on that site, would have a hard time standing up to my wife's 17 year old cat with no claws.
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Looked through a few of the breeds,at keystone puppies. Clearly,many of them are poorly bred.There not even close to what I'd called a well-bred, strucally sound dog.
Many of these dogs will have horrific temperment & health problems.
Those Shelties are obviously not strucally sound...
Many of these dogs will have horrific temperment & health problems.
Those Shelties are obviously not strucally sound...
Now you got me looking into it also..
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You are selling from a Boxer breeder named Joseph Blank
I googled Joseph Blank...a boxer breeder. whom your selling puppies for. busted puppy mill
and you have the gonads to come on here and call us bullies when your lieing through your teeth. Shame on you. Look at what he did to his dogs. and just to nail the coffin.
Your Joseph blank has the same address as the puppy mill guy so SHAME ON YOU!
The puppy on your website
Address for Joseph Blank breeder in Narvon PA
Joseph Blanks Charges for running a puppy mill with 328 dogs. ( address included surprise! )
Shame on you I hope the people on this forum haunt your facebook page. SHAME ON YOU. Your just as bad as the people who torture the dogs.
Keystone puppies
You are selling from a Boxer breeder named Joseph Blank
I googled Joseph Blank...a boxer breeder. whom your selling puppies for. busted puppy mill
and you have the gonads to come on here and call us bullies when your lieing through your teeth. Shame on you. Look at what he did to his dogs. and just to nail the coffin.
Your Joseph blank has the same address as the puppy mill guy so SHAME ON YOU!
The puppy on your website
Address for Joseph Blank breeder in Narvon PA
Joseph Blanks Charges for running a puppy mill with 328 dogs. ( address included surprise! )
Shame on you I hope the people on this forum haunt your facebook page. SHAME ON YOU. Your just as bad as the people who torture the dogs.
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Ugh, wow... so I looked this guy up. Keystone is not the only company who advertises this awful person.
http://www.greenfieldpuppies.com/boxer-puppies-for-sale-pa-md-de/daphnie/
http://www.greenfieldpuppies.com/boxer-puppies-for-sale-pa-md-de/daphnie/
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Man all this puppy mill stuff sickens me, here in my province they made selling dogs through stores illeagal and put strict restrictions on breeding and its practically eliminated all puppy mills, we still have BYBs and stuff but there's been a huge imptovement
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The website owner's name for Keystone and Greenfield is the same and the design of the site is nearly identical. It is reasonable to assume it is the same person operating both businesses.
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Greenfield puppies got a horde of complaints probably started a new one.
what would happen if we personally sent all their face book friends evidence? They deleted my wall post posting the link of their breeders puppy mill bust
They might be interested to know that all complaints get removed quickly
what would happen if we personally sent all their face book friends evidence? They deleted my wall post posting the link of their breeders puppy mill bust
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