I'm trying to think of any situations where an intact dog has had issues with other intact males and I honestly, honestly, can't. I've had lots of dogs in the past as either fosters or owned, but it's really never come up - at least not with male dogs. That doesn't mean it doesn't happen! I'm sure it does, especially in dogs who are known to have same sex aggression issues (guessing).

It's also very possible that this particular dog just doesn't like yours. THAT I have seen a lot of. My mom's JRT can't freaking STAND Kylie. There's no particular reason for it. She gets along with other dogs. Mom's JRT gets along with all our other dogs. He wants to eat her for dinner.

(Again, not saying it's the case, but it's a particular dog I wouldn't discount individual preference and personality, either.)

 

I can't say we've really had a problem with intact males bullying Sham. He's been to events around intact males and got on fine. He's a very easy to get along with dog, so he really gets along with pretty much every dog he meets. Jack is neutered and his tolerance is intact males is very low. Sham is usually bullied by neutered males.

 

I don't often know whether random strange dogs are neutered or not. I know my neutered female would bully other dogs,and my neutered male had been attacked by other males.

 

I've noticed more neutered males being aggressive, than intact males.

 

Something else to consider here is the age difference/age of your puppy. It still could be an intact male/intact male thing, but he's no way mature so even if that was going to be an issue it would be early for it. He is, however, at an age where he no longer has a puppy pass, and isn't... quite an adult. That puts him in a strange place for dog/dog interactions.

 

My bullies (all males and neutered) have very low tolerance for intact male dogs....things they put up with from other neutered dogs and intact or spayed females they do not tolerate from intact male dogs. Intact males naturally (from what I know) produce more testosterone then altered males and the dogs can smell this. Making them seem 'naturally' more like a punk, challenger, butt head etc. (or so I theorize) But I have also noticed an equal amount of intact male/intact male aggression.

 

My bullies (all males) have very low tolerance for intact male dogs....things they put up with from other neutered dogs and intact or spayed females they do not tolerate from intact male dogs. Intact males naturally (from what I know) produce more testosterone then altered males and the dogs can smell this. Making them seem 'naturally' more like a punk, challenger, butt head etc. (or so I theorize)

I would totally buy that they smell the status of the dog, but honest to god my most likely to be zeroed in on dog is the softest, most passive dog on the planet. Like... ridiculously so. The once he actually got jumped on, he rolled over on his back and cried until he got hauled out by his leash.

Doesn't matter. Neutered dogs can't stand him. And JUST neutered, male dogs.

I have no theory for why this is, but it seems to be common among a lot of people. (The other intact dog gets less crap and he's MORE assertive - though he still gets it.)

 

My Rott has a higher tolerance for females and dogs that are a good amount smaller then him,with males it all depends on the attitude of the other. Sense I know he butted heads with neutered males before as well. There was one female he really hated though,an aggressive Great dane.

 

Thank you all for your replies. I honestly feel a lot better about the situation, especially because none of y'all have experienced it. In fact; it seems that many of you have experienced quite the opposite (neutered male aggression towards intact males) an issue I have yet to run into.

I'm just gonna cross my fingers and hope the three instances were specific as opposed to general. Gonna take it as just a couple of random dogs at different times not being a fan of Moose, which is totally cool by me.


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My intact male Rusty is one of "those" dogs. He hates (and I can't stress that word enough) ALL other intact male dogs. There has never been another intact dog that he has met that he has not tried to lunge at, bite, growl at, attack etc, etc. We can't take him to dog parks or anywhere there are other unknown dogs because he can't be trusted. He's only 20lbs, but he makes it known that he wants nothing at all to do with other intact males. And unfortunately, most don't get the "hint". So we keep him away not only to protect the other dogs from him, but to protect him from when he finally lunges/picks a fight with a dog that will go back at him.

 

the very idea of 2 or more intact males together scares the crud out of me. while I know neutered males that target intact males (mine included), I have seen FAR more aggression from intact males as a general rule. my experiences is why I'll never ever ever allow an intact male in my home again lol.

 

I do agree that sometimes dogs just hate other dogs for some reason. Mia HATES this schnauzer we know. He is loud and somewhat aggressive and he goes after her. So he can't even be within sight without Mia getting pissed. Lol. There was a JRT that hated mia as well and would go out of her way to try to attack her.

 

Ugh, this thread took a spin into a direction I wasn't expecting it to after reading the replies last night, haha!

Thinking about it from this perspective, it does kind of make sense that it has to do with intact male vs intact male because the harassment on Moose is immediate and constant. The minute that they sniff him it begins. Not sure that there is even an opportunity for the other dogs to decide whether they like him or not specifically, because it happens in an instant - which could have to do a lot with his scent and nothing with his personality. Then again, I want to mention that there were multiple (approximately 5, including Moose) intact dogs that were all hanging out fine, and just one that zeroed in on Moose and wouldn't leave him alone. This has happened on more than one occasion. So the "no intact male dogs with any other intact male dogs ever" idea is not something I can agree with either. Confusing, contradictory stuff.

It does annoy me because he spends his time trying to remove himself from the other dog, and has never instigated. If it gets too intense he flops over on his back and freezes, and if that doesn't work he begins to shriek and at that point I'm usually over there taking control of the situation myself.

Sometimes we take a little break outside of the gate until he chooses to put himself back into the situation, sometimes I talk to other owners and present the situation to them from our perspective, sometimes they acknowledge the situation on their own and contribute to making everyone more comfortable by getting their obnoxious dog under control, and sometimes we leave.

I don't care if your dog is intact, I do care if your dog is in a dog friendly, off leash area and aggressively harassing my dog while you sit obliviously on your ass and do nothing about it.

I just dont understand how some people do/allow some of the things that they do. None of my dogs have ever (literally, ever) been any kind of aggressive towards other dogs in a dog park setting. And if they EVER exhibit any kind of that behavior, I can tell you that you sure as hell won't be finding them at a dog park. Seems like common sense to me, right? Just hard for me to see things from the other owners points of view, because I know that if either of my dogs ever did even half of what other dogs have done to Moose, I would have ended it.

I will say that during this last instance, I know that I wasn't the only one that was relieved when the Boxer and his owner had left.

This may be something that has to do with the adolescent stage he's in right now, and totally may not. At this point I am going to continue to socialize him in a controlled environment and hope that this is something that passes as he matures, and if not, we'll deal with it then.


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lol see I have heard about intact males together being fine on this forum(and this is the first and only place I've heard of such a thing) but IME in real life, I have never ever seen 2 even otherwise good intact males not want to kill eachother on sight and keep in mind I have worked in a large kennel for 5 years, and I've been training/competing for 13 years. hence my prejudice against intact males lol(beyond my general dislike of male dogs I mean lol)

 

Never? Seriously? Because that's kind of extreme. How in the world would people manage to breed or go to shows? I mean, granted my experiences are kind of opposite yours, what living with this:

Both of whom are clearly intact:

But I wouldn't say my experiences are universal. But NEVER? Something's wrong, somewhere.

 

Watson is often growled at by neutered dogs, but almost never by females. He hasn't really played with any intact males before. I think there are a few reasons he gets growls. One, he can be an obnoxious greeter and has no sense of personal space. In that case, it's totally fine for another dog to put him in his place and he's typically much more polite after that. In other cases, I think it's because he's an adolescent and is in that weird stage where other dogs don't know how to react to him. And in some cases, he's perfectly polite and I do think it's because he's intact.

For all of these reasons, he hasn't been to a dog park. He is a very low conflict dog, and handles the situation well, but I don't really want to see what would happen with a group of big boisterous neutered males.

One funny thing is that he has convinced other dogs to play who were completely uninterested or even a little hostile to him originally. He is just so confident and persistent and his body language is so obviously playful and non-confrontational, that I have seen him change other dogs' minds. He just doesn't make a good first impression I guess.

I have no doubt that he could live peacefully with another intact male of similar temperament. He has diffused some tricky situations with a friends' dog that otherwise could have escalated. Now they are best buddies.

 

Ma'ii is intact, and he has BIG problems with other intact males. He's fine with neutered males and females, but HATES other intact males.

I do know other intact male dogs who are fine with other intact males. I think they are more the exception not the rule though, at least in my experience.

 

On the topic of dogs just hating individual dogs for some reason, it definitely happens. While both of our dogs are watched with caution around other dogs, there are certain individual dogs out there that they would LOVE to rip apart if given the chance.

With Ma'ii, his greatest enemies of all time were an old chow mix that belonged to my FIL's neighbor, who allowed this dog to pee on our RV daily... Ma'ii actually broke a screen window one day trying to get to that dog. The other was an unstable mastiff mix owned by a homeless guy in Sacramento. I have never seen him want to fight any other dogs as much as he did those two.

And with Charlotte, there was an American Bulldog back in NH that was often walked around town that she hated. The dog was actually really nice, but had no respect for personal space, and that's what pissed her off.

 

Bernad is 5 and intact and he is a total suck with all dogs and people. The only dog he's ever fought with is Mia and she's the one that starts things 99% of the time. Beau was intact until he was 7 or so and they were fine togethere. They are also fine together now with one neutered and one intact.

Mia... Is good but a dog that will pick fights if you let her. Summer is so docile that the two of them get along just fine all the time but I am careful around other dogs.

 

Crystal's breeder always has two, sometimes even three, intact male papillons around at the same time, loose in her house. They get along just fine.

 

Never? Seriously? Because that's kind of extreme. How in the world would people manage to breed or go to shows?

everyone I have ever known either separated their adult intact males, they only kept 1 at a time(ie a bunch of females but only 1 male, or several males with all but one neutered etc..) or they dealt with fights and I would be seeing them with hands all bandaged up from breaking up dog fights..one breeder I knew kept a horse whip for breaking up the fights. an old friend of mine had 2 intact males, they fought all the time, it was rare I saw them with no injury's. the kennel owners dad has 2 intact males that live together apparently fine at home, but every time I have met them(outside of home and without their owner) they have attacked each other immediately. to be fair I don't live in a large place, but its hardly a small town either lol

different experiences equal different opinions lol

 

I don't know, that just sounds like a lot of behavioral problems on top of people who probably shouldn't have dogs if they allow them to keep injuring each other to that degree.

 

Eeeeehhhhhh I can see where Miss Bugs is coming from. I have known intact male dogs who have gotten along fine with other intact males, but 75% of the time (in my experience) that's not the case. Bad socialization? Bad training? Bad temperament? Or just instinctive? I don't know, but there's no mistaking it happens often enough.

Ma'ii came to us with his hatred for other intact males. It was one of the reasons they wanted to rehome him. Apparently, the guy's new girlfriend had an intact male, who Ma'ii initially was decent with up until the dog was about 2 years old, at which point fights began happening more and more and the girlfriend said he had to go. He was fine with the dog until the dog reached sexual maturity, so obviously it had something to do with the scent of testosterone I'm assuming. Of course, I'm just going off what they said.

 

lol with the exception of my old friends(who I agree, should not have owned dogs period, they drove me nuts) and my the kennels owners dad, all the other people I refer too have been dog people..as in breeders and/or sport folks heavily involved in training and competing. this is what I was raised around, as such my instinct when someone has an intact male and adds another one, is "OMG!! keep them separated or neuter one or both, they will kill each other!!!!!" even hearing about and seeing different on this forum does not erase my gut reaction

 

"OMG!! keep them separated or neuter one or both, they will kill each other!!!!!

I get the "Neutering him will stop it" advice from people to, but he's almost 8 now. I HIGHLY doubt it would do anything as far as the male dog thing goes. lol

 

oh I don't disagree that its horrifying, but this is what I have been raised around since I started "into" dogs. hence my trepidation, and my gut reaction of horror. let that sorta thing be your only experience and the only thing you hear about with multiple intact males for 13 years and try to walk away without fearing the very concept lol

my usually pro neuter stance is because I simply dislike male dogs and intact males just amplify everything I hate about male dogs. this is different for me, 2 or more intact males together... the concept genuinely scares me.

 

What I mean is that I don't know if I would directly determine that all those people had problems with their dogs solely because they were same sex intact. Sounds like they have problems in general.

 

Quoted for truth.

Not going to argue that some dogs dislike other dogs of the same gender, or based on reproductive status, but if you're having to break up fights with a horse whip and regularly having your dogs injured that badly, there is something wrong with YOU. Even if they loathe each other, you should surely have reached the point of separation and crate or rotate or rehoming well before this is a pattern of behavior that's allowed to reenforce itself.