[HollowHeaven]

I would like for whoever puts that on on their dog like that, to strap it right above their groin, and if it's a male dog and a male "trainer", I want it right on their glory.
I would like to see how long they use it after that.

 

[ThoseWordsAtBest]

I was complaining not too long ago about a guy recommending I do this with Sham. I'm not even entirely sure how the topic came up, since I don't use e-collars and have never expressed interest in using them, but he has gun dogs and this is a practice some use. No thanks, guy.

 

[SydTheSpaniel]

Do I see right that there is ANOTHER shock collar between the blue collar and the thick... something. At what point do you say enough is enough?

I see it too.

Completely unnecessary.

 

[zhaor]

I would like for whoever puts that on on their dog like that, to strap it right above their groin, and if it's a male dog and a male "trainer", I want it right on their glory.

Sounds kinky.

 

[KodiBarracuda]

Sounds kinky.

Hey now, this is a kid friendly place, where do you think you are? Facebook? haha.

 

[RabbleFox]

I was complaining not too long ago about a guy recommending I do this with Sham. I'm not even entirely sure how the topic came up, since I don't use e-collars and have never expressed interest in using them, but he has gun dogs and this is a practice some use. No thanks, guy.

People love to give me unsolicited advice. I was at the store getting a running harness for my aunt's lab and this lady came up behind me and was like, "Wow! Buy him a prong collar!!!!11!!!!1! Worked wonders on my dog!" Dog comes around the corner, pulling into it's prong. Cool. Granted, Wolf was yanking me all over but really... I just started working with him. Like that day. Gimme a break. Also, stop giving me bad advice stranger.

On another note, I'm confused why you would need 2 shock collars. One doesn't do it for you? And why one of the belly? Because its more sensitive, I'm guessing? Gun dog training is really foreign to me so I'm not really sure what they are even training for with the belly shocker.

 

[ThoseWordsAtBest]

People love to give me unsolicited advice. I was at the store getting a running harness for my aunt's lab and this lady came up behind me and was like, "Wow! Buy him a prong collar!!!!11!!!!1! Worked wonders on my dog!" Dog comes around the corner, pulling into it's prong. Cool. Granted, Wolf was yanking me all over but really... I just started working with him. Like that day. Gimme a break. Also, stop giving me bad advice stranger.

On another note, I'm confused why you would need 2 shock collars. One doesn't do it for you? And why one of the belly? Because its more sensitive, I'm guessing? Gun dog training is really foreign to me so I'm not really sure what they are even training for with the belly shocker.

I know this guy fairly well and I'm pretty positive he knows I am not that kind of trainer, so I think he was trying to make a slight at me. I always joke about how awful Shambles is, and maybe I need to lay off it's going to have people suggest I shock his balls.

As he put it, dogs that blow an e-collar on their necks will not blow an e-collar on their waist. Yeah I can see why.

 

[zeronightfarm]

I read somewhere a couple of years ago that stimming the dog on different parts of the body is a way to communicate different things, like move forward vs slow down. And they're usually not used to apply a harsh aversive when used by people who know what they're doing. E-collars usually have power settings of 1-100 or similar, and the usually only use around a 10, which feels like a slight tingle, not a shock.

Probably not necessary, and they could probably teach the same thing without e-collars if they really wanted to and sat down and put time and effort into coming up with different ways of teaching things, but seeing an e-collar on a dog doesn't really make me cringe or automatically think "cruelty" these days.

And that is a fabulous looking dog.

Yes it is used on the lowest setting as just a tickle not a shock. This is one of the last stages where the dog is loose in a feild, and the dog has been training, and being taught what to do with the tickle.

It's not like they are just shocking the dog.

 

[Inga]

I can't imagine what that poor dog could possibly have done wrong to warrant not one but 2 electric collars and a horse strap around his neck. Must be one tough dog. Sheesh. I think it is actually an idiot who doesn't have a clue about how to actually train a dog. That dog is lovely though. What a shame he is being so abused.

 

[packetsmom]

I've never even seen this in Schutzhund, where e-collars are actually pretty common on older dogs at the higher levels. I think even the owners of those dogs would probably raise an eyebrow at this.

I'm wondering what, exactly, the stimulus to the groin area is supposed to accomplish...or if I even want to know?!

 

[packetsmom]

Yes it is used on the lowest setting as just a tickle not a shock. This is one of the last stages where the dog is loose in a feild, and the dog has been training, and being taught what to do with the tickle.

It's not like they are just shocking the dog.

Um...ok...is the "tickle" suppose to simulate some sort of distraction? What in the field routinely "tickles" the dog's groin? I guess I'm just confused over what exactly this is supposed to accomplish that a e-collar on the neck would not?

 

[Crantastic]

It seems that people have confused dogs with remote control cars and think they need one zapper to make the dog go forward and one to make it go backward.

 

[mrbilal87]

I can totally understand using a shock collar where it is intended to be used: around the dog's neck. But around the dog's groin seems a little harsh to me.

 

[zeronightfarm]

Um...ok...is the "tickle" suppose to simulate some sort of distraction? What in the field routinely "tickles" the dog's groin? I guess I'm just confused over what exactly this is supposed to accomplish that a e-collar on the neck would not?

The video explains it all, It's also not used on the dogs groin, it's on the belly. The trainer even said that it is not on the groin, on males it is further up.

http://www.gundogsonline.com/Article/using-an-e-collar-for-whoa-training-Page1.htm

 

[Crantastic]

Funny, I always thought that dogs could be taught to move forward, move backward, and stop without the use of a remote control.

 

[HollowHeaven]

Laziness, Lol

 

[ThoseWordsAtBest]

Dogs, how do they work?

 

[Crantastic]

Apparently they require batteries.

 

[packetsmom]

The video explains it all, It's also not used on the dogs groin, it's on the belly. The trainer even said that it is not on the groin, on males it is further up.

http://www.gundogsonline.com/Article/using-an-e-collar-for-whoa-training-Page1.htm

Schutzhund, agility, trick dogs...all kinds of dogs learn very precise movements, backwards forwards and sideways without e-collars on their bellies. I have to think gun dogs would be just as smart and more modern methods could be used to teach this kind of body awareness.

 

[zeronightfarm]

Schutzhund, agility, trick dogs...all kinds of dogs learn very precise movements, backwards forwards and sideways without e-collars on their bellies. I have to think gun dogs would be just as smart and more modern methods could be used to teach this kind of body awareness.

I didn't say it was the best way, I just don't think it is as horrid as people are making out to be.