Puppy Forum and Dog Forums banner

Is this a Wolfdog hybrid?

17K views 73 replies 26 participants last post by  RabbleFox  
#1 · (Edited)
Hello all. Someone says that this dog is 50% Iberian Wolf and 50% German Shepherd working line. Does he looks like a hybrid? Opinions? The pictures were posted / taken in the late summer, he is around 8 months old in there.

I am interested in Wolfdogs. But I want to learn more about dogs having a Wolfy appearance and the amount of Wolf content. I have read that there are alot of people selling Wolfdogs without actually having any Wolf content. For example Husky and German Sepherd crosses, or malamute crosses, etc. How can you tell if a dog is a hybrid?

Thx

Image


Image


Image


Image


Image


Image


Image


Image


Image


Image
 
#4 ·
Knowing the look of Iberian wolves, I am not in a position to doubt it.

We have a couple wolfdog owners here who will hopefully step in.
 
#5 ·
Looks very Czech Wolfdog like. I know that breed was created by Carpathian wolves x Working line German Shepherds.
 
#6 ·
It is a beautiful animal. I for one would not be calling this dog a hybrid for this reason

Rabies vaccination for wolf hybrids is yet another difficult issue. Although it is likely that current rabies vaccines are as efficacious in the hybrid as they are in the dog, Federal regulations require that any vaccine be tested in a species before it can be approved for use in that species. Due to the expense, no such testing has ever been done on either wolves or hybrids. Regardless, many hybrids have been vaccinated with canine rabies vaccine. Such vaccinations are not officially recommended or recognized, and in some States may even be illegal. Consequently, hybrids that have bitten someone are often treated differently than a dog would be. In many cases the hybrid must be destroyed and the brain examined, regardless of whether or not it was vaccinated for rabies. http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm

You can read here more reasons of why I would hesitate to call any animal that looks sort of wolf to call them that. Especially seeing that the dog is around other dogs running loose. http://www.nal.usda.gov/awic/newsletters/v5n4/5n4wille.htm

I would hate to think that if this dog did do anything and a report was made that the dog would be euthed and beheaded just for the sake of saying I own a wolf-dog.
 
#7 ·
Well... his coloring is kind of wolfy. And he has light eyes. Thats about all that I see that indicates wolfdog. His ears aren't set right, they are too large, and they aren't well furred enough. His body set is similar to that of a northern breed/maybe wolf/shepherd dog. His white markings are a bit stark for a higher content wolfdog.

If he were a wolfdog, I'd reckon he was a low content. The wolfdog community doesn't use percentages anymore, just content (low, medium, high). Wolfdog also technically aren't hybrids. So we all can just call them plain ole "wolfdogs".
 
#8 ·
Well, Iberian wolves look different from timber wolves, so I wouldn't think you could use the same criteria to identify an Iberian wolf cross.

But, yeah, in the US rabies vaccinations are only legally recognized in cats, dogs, and ferrets. So I wouldn't be too quick to identify my dog as a wolf mix :/.
 
#9 ·
Well, Iberian wolves look different from timber wolves, so I wouldn't think you could use the same criteria to identify an Iberian wolf cross.
If we use this Iberian Wolf for reference, we will see some obvious differences. Especially in the face and ear set.
Image

They certainly are pretty! The indicators for wolfdogs are pretty universal from what I know. Wolves of all kinds have the same basic stuff going on.

I'm not wolf or wolfdog expert so this is just me, with my little knowledge drawing a few conclusions.
 
#10 ·
Unless you know who the parents are, and their parents, and their parents....there's really no way to tell.
We are a rescue and have often been called upon to take in wolfdogs by the A/C since we have several years of experience with them. One thing I can tell you right now is most animlas called wolfdogs, or wolf hybrids, are NOT - they are simply dogs. Folks try to pass off their mutts as wolfdogs in order to make a good profit off the animals or simply to be known as the guy/gal who has wolf.

As for those that are wolfdog mixes: It's near impossible to tell with some and obvious as heck with others. We had siblings that came from a west coast wolfdog breeder who relocated to Texas with his wolves, got sick and had them all taken in by a wolf sanctuary. Since the sanctuary was full they called and asked us take some of them. Two of them did look quite wolfy but one of the brothers looked nothing at all like a wolf. Yet they did have the same parents. Just as with any mix it's a crap-shoot as to what side they will take after in looks and personality.

Bottom line though - most "wolfdogs" are just dogs - no wolf. Those that are truly wolf are usually low content. Either way - you may want to keep that to yourself. Wolves, regardless of how low content they may be, are illegal in many communities. In the areas where they are legal they can still cause problems for you with A/C and your neighbors.
 
#17 ·
How are the yellow eyes a dead ringer?? Do you think a Weimaraner has wolf in it just because it has yellow eyes? There are plenty of pure blooded dog breeds out there that have yellow eyes, just because a animal has one does not mean wolf.
 
#14 ·
I'm no expert by any means, though I have met two "for sure" Wolfdogs and the second they stepped through the door, it was VERY obvious.. not just in their look, but SO much in the way they moved (and just for the record, they were huge sweethearts, very friendly).

Anyway.. I think many many of the so-called Wolfdogs are just mixed breed dogs.. but this one that the OP has posted, I actually do think he looks quite "wolfy". Something about the way he's carrying himself maybe? I'd say wolfdog.
 
#15 ·
Definitely no expertise in this area, but from a layman's standpoint of all the "Is this a wolfdog..." threads that I've seen posted here this is the first one where I've thought, "Yeah, it could be."
 
#16 ·
Beings you said he is the result of a pure wolf and a gsd and is 8 months old in the late summer then no, there is no way the animal is the result of a pure wolf. Pure wolves only have puppies in the spring time, no other time of the year. Arctics can have them in May but you are not going to see any pure blooded wolf born in the winter months. If he does has any he's a low at best. The ears are way to big and not well furred. Even a Iberian Wolves ears are not like that. Coloring is not right either the Iberian Wolves colors even though different then you're gray wolf they do still blend like they'res do, and this animals coat does not blend. Also a Iberian Wolf? Here in the US in a wd breeding program? I highly doubt it.

I agree with Laureline that he looks to have Czech Wolfdog in him.

But if you want to know for fact if there is a slight amount of wolf in there then there is only one test out there that does check for wolf dna markers, its called the UC Davis test
http://www.vgl.ucdavis.edu/services/Wolf-DogHybrid.php
 
#18 ·
Because he has black based pigment... You rarely ever see black based dogs with yellow eyes. Weimaraners are blue or isabella. Please don't talk to me like I'm stupid. I'm not saying I'm right by any means but you don't have to act like that.
 
#19 ·
I am not treating you like you're stupid. You are the one that said yellow eyes were a give away for wolf. Which they are not

Also Eumelanin is, by default, black pigment. All black areas on a dog are caused by cells producing eumelanin. However, there are genes which turn eumelanin into other colours blue (grey) being one of them, and there is black based pigment animals with yellow eyes, that does not mean wolf.

How many wolfdogs have you owned?
 
#25 ·
None, I was just stating my opinion, I know it doesn't necessarily mean it's a wolf. You ARE talking to me like I'm stupid. I'm also well aware that blue dogs are a dilution of black. You are talking down to me. Please don't.
 
#22 ·
The problem is a lot of the northern breed dogs do look wolfy and sometimes people who are not so honest will play into those wolf-like features to get more money for the pups.

red/white malamutes can look wolfy because most people are not used to seeing a malamute in that color and with their sometimes amber eyes it can look wolf especially in their older years. http://ts1.explicit.bing.net/th?id=H.4966168814486348&pid=1.7

Also, the agouti colored huskies can be mistaken for a wolfdog and some scrupulous owners will claim that the dog is a wolf mix. http://www.bing.com/images/search?q...M=IGRE#view=detail&id=91EADBB3260F907FDFE127905B1EC5657BB67B5E&selectedIndex=31

plus these breed also. http://mysmelly.com/content/dogs/dog-breeds-that-look-like-wolves.htm

Buyer beware with this breed more people will try to rip you off claiming they are breeding wolf -dogs when in fact all it is a skinny undernourished common dog breed. This is one breed of dog that the owners need to do their homework and do references if they truly want a wolf dog.
 
#27 · (Edited)
To me it's coming off quite rude. "How many wolfdogs have you owned?" just sounds plain rude and snotty to me. And I never said that ALL dogs with yellow eyes are wolfdogs.

EDIT: As for the poster I can tell that all of those dogs are not wolfdogs... I guess the original post fooled me.
 
#28 · (Edited)
But you said "You rarely ever see black based dogs with yellow eyes. Weimaraners are blue or Isabella" but now you're saying "I'm also well aware that blue dogs are a dilution of black." So you're basically contradicting yourself.

And no one ever said anything about all wolfdogs having yellow eyes. You stated that the yellow eyes were a give away that it was a wolfdog. I was trying to correct you that just because a animal has yellow eyes does not make it a wolfdog as there are plenty of pure blooded dogs out there that have yellow eyes also. That it is not just a wolfdog trait. I was not being rude what so ever just stating a fact, when I corrected you about the eyes. You were the one that flew off the handle being rude first with you're reply.

Image


Image
 
#29 · (Edited)
I know it's not just a wolfdog trait... I thought combined with those marking and the body language that it was likely but I never claimed to be an expert.

edit: and i'm not contradicting myself, almost all blue dogs have yellow eyes but i've never seen a black or black based dog with yellow eyes in person although i have seen a handful on the internet. but it's not particularly common.
 
#32 ·
My own dog is often called a wolfdog because of her coloring. I spend more time trying to tell people she is not. At times, I think it would be a lot easier to pass her as one than to say she is not. I could have bred her and claimed she is a wolfdog but to me, she looks like just a dog.



her ears are too big and not furred inside. she has a white tip tail. her nail colors are white on most of her toes except for maybe 3 of them. Her belly has speckles on it. Her stop is too well-defined. Her prey drive is low and her escaping abilities are none. She free reins on 10 acres without a big secure fence. Other big factors her birthdate is in the summer and the pups in the litter were not born dark.
This is her as a pup


I just got lucky with a Malamute/shepherd that looks wild but is just a dog. I am thankful for that because I do not think I could handle a true wolfdog. This is her all time favorite thing to do. Play Queen of the snow mound
Image


Now if Cindy could post her true wolfdogs you will see the difference.
 
#35 ·
Just as an aside, I wouldn't call yellow/amber eyes rare for non dilute dogs. It's actually really common in some breeds- like border collies.
 
#36 ·
luv mi pets-- I had a dog like that too as a kid. He was from a border collie mix and a husky. He had wolf grey fur and bright blue eyes but there was no way in hell he was part wolf, lol! People offered us money for him frequently... And even with Faxon I had people who doubted me when I said she wasn't part coyote...