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Variation within breeds

33K views 161 replies 49 participants last post by  Adjecyca1  
#1 ·
So, I wanted to show you what the variation in GSDs is, just in my house. What variants are in your breeds?

Not only is there huge variation within the GSD breed, but there are pretty large variations even within specific lines.

Strauss:
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Wesson:
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Loch:
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Cara:
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#3 ·
And Loch is my least favorite aesthetically speaking LOL

It's always interesting to see what people's preferences are.
 
#6 ·
There's honestly not a ton of variation in my breed. It's enough that if you get a group of Welshies together you can generally tell who is related to who, and have some opinion on what type you prefer, but it's nothing like in some other breeds. There's no field/show split either. The population of the breed in general is so small that it's pretty homogeneous.

It's funny to compare them to English springers. I find bench bred ESS all look identical to me. I can watch a class of 20 go around and if I'm not paying attention I forget which is which. Even their markings are very standardized. When you compare that to the European type of ESS, and then the American field type, there's actually a huge variation in the breed as a whole.

And to throw out my vote, I think Loch is beautiful. I also really like Cara, which I guess is about as opposite in type as you can get. For GSDs as a whole, I like the look of working line dogs better than the show line dogs.
 
#9 ·
Loch looks like a coyote almost... In other words, too scrawny/lanky for a GSD imo
He does. It drives me nuts, and I will admit that it will never stop bothering me. His sister is SO pretty, and I don't know what his deal is. He has a great temperament, and is a hard working dog. He's functional, but I really need more than functionality. He'll be my next service dog for sure, but he'll always be the dog I call ugly.

He looks like he's made of three different dogs. And of course, this is not his breeder's fault. She can't predict what they'll come out looking like beyond color :p I'm very grateful to have him, regardless.

He seems lean and sinewy...like he could outrun and out-maneuver the wind.
Like a sighthound. Blegh, LOL
 
#159 ·
He does. It drives me nuts, and I will admit that it will never stop bothering me. His sister is SO pretty, and I don't know what his deal is. He has a great temperament, and is a hard working dog. He's functional, but I really need more than functionality. He'll be my next service dog for sure, but he'll always be the dog I call ugly.

He looks like he's made of three different dogs. And of course, this is not his breeder's fault. She can't predict what they'll come out looking like beyond color :p I'm very grateful to have him, regardless.


Like a sighthound. Blegh, LOL
There really isn't much variation in ACDs other then being blue and red lol, (just kidding) though there is blue / red mottled and blue / red speckled (it's too hard for me to post pics when on my phone and I won't be able to get on the laptop til tonight). Coat varies based mostly on region (dogs in colder regions have more coat, those in warmer ones less etc ...).

What attracted me to the ACD in the first place, is there is not much variation within the breed, either in temperament or type :)
 
#10 ·
Cara looks really, really awesome. My favorite overall is probably Strauss but I don't know how biased I'm being. Either way that dog is looking incredible, especially for his age.

I'm going to throw Trent into the GSD variety mix ;)

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From this morning. I actually like to think that he's been inspired by your dogs' stacking LOL
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#11 ·
I see Strauss's type most around here, though way extremer than him. He's actually not extreme at all.
Strauss is half German show lines, 1/4 working lines, 1/4 American show lines
 
#13 ·
Trent is the kind of dog I'd love to throw into an American breeding if the right bitch could be found. I love him, and find him to be very close to ideal.

Strauss has my favorite structure as well, but, like you, I honestly do not know how much of that is my bias towards him, since I do love him so much. I recognize his faults, and will unabashedly share them with anybody who asks, but he is still my favorite.

This is where one has to acknowledge that it is *impossible* to completely avoid kennel blindness. Nobody can avoid it. It is just not possible, since we all have preferences. What you really need to do is try to *minimize* it.
 
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RabbleFox - here, and the larger version: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3674/12779061493_b2f8987fd7_b.jpg

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Trent is the kind of dog I'd love to throw into an American breeding if the right bitch could be found. I love him, and find him to be very close to ideal.
Woah, high praise for this boy! :D That's so awesome coming from you, as someone who knows confo and is picky about type + structure.

Strauss has my favorite structure as well, but, like you, I honestly do not know how much of that is my bias towards him, since I do love him so much. I recognize his faults, and will unabashedly share them with anybody who asks, but he is still my favorite.

This is where one has to acknowledge that it is *impossible* to completely avoid kennel blindness. Nobody can avoid it. It is just not possible, since we all have preferences. What you really need to do is try to *minimize* it.
Yep, even from reading your critiques on Strauss and seeing some of what he could be faulted for, he's still my favorite. Structure from any standpoint and just overall impression makes me think "nice, nice dog".
 
#14 · (Edited)
Cara is my favorite.

Show Aussies tend to be more coaty and heavier bones whilst worker Aussies tend to be less coaty and lighter boned.

UKC Ch. Aussie from a breeder in Michigan:
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AKC Ch. Aussie from a breeder in Michigan:
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Typical Working Aussie look:
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AKC Pepper:

Last summer. Full body shot. In the air. He is pretty coaty but is slimmer in build. He is also old which has lead to a coatier coat, I think.

I don't think there is much difference between Ratties as of right now.
Maybe Capt. Jack and I can compare dogs!
UKC Ch. Yadada name, aka Merlin:

Head on, body shot, upside down full shot. Whatevs on the upside down one.
 
#17 ·
Yeeee! Thank you!!!! I post all my personal photos mobile so they are always small and sometimes end up kooky ways.

Now someone post their Aussie or Rattie!

Add another GSD. This is an older gal from my daycare.
 
#19 ·
I like Strauss and it looks like he'd love our northern MI winter with that coat.
He's originally a Wisconsin dog, and he does indeed love such weather.
 
#21 ·
GSDs *swoon*

I have a bias for Trent - I just love that dog.

As far as the top pics, I think I have to say aesthetically speaking, I like Loch!

Yorkies don't have much variation within their breed as far as show dogs go, etc, but since they're such a BYB produced dog, you see LOTS of variations of them in that sense. Yorkies that are 20lbs, and then Yorkies that are 2lbs (standard is under 7lbs) and some that are floppy eared, prick eared, half and half, some are long, some are short and stocky. lol. It's quite ridiculous.
 
#29 ·
They look so soft & fluffy! I want<3


As for GSDs, I love Cara & Wesson. Loch, he may be scrawny but he does have a pretty face.
 
#23 ·
This will be an total off-topic,but I need to say it. Strauss is one interesting name.Strauss in Latvian means ostrich,so I believe he must be very strong dog!

You have very beautiful dogs!I love Cara,very beautiful,she looks so big and impressive.
 
#26 ·
Bahahaha! I learned something new! Strauss is named after the composer (Richard, not Johann). He IS a very strong dog, though!

Cara is on the big side for a bitch...probably just under 24". Her daughter (Wesson, posted right under Strauss) is slightly oversized
 
#30 ·
I love trent lol, of the 4 in the OP, i find Cara the most attractive. I am actually not fond of Loch aesthetically lol, in general I prefer a racey dog but he looks...mis-matched...to me? as though someone took their fav parts from a few different dogs and popped them together if that makes sense? like his head alone is nice and his body is nice but together they look odd lol
 
#33 · (Edited)
Ah, Willis...thought he looked familiar. IIRC, he died unexpectedly. His sire did the same.

Is her name Madeb's Juno (the dog posted)? If so, looking at her pedigree explains why I saw German in her.