An F1 Labradoodle = Poodle crossed with a Labrador Retriever.
F2 = F1 Labradoodle crossed with F1 Labradoodle
F3 = F2 Labradoodle crossed with F2 Labradoodle etc
When mixing generations, you add one to the lower generation parent, ie F4 cross F1 = F2, or F3 cross F2 = F3 etc
F1B, F2B, F3B etc just means a backcross to one of the parent breeds, usually the poodle, thus F3B = F3 Labradoodle cross Poodle

if that makes any sense. Basically one parent is a labradoodle the other a poodle.

 

Oh, I get it. Now I understand why these dogs are so much more expensive than the other "doodles" posted on there.

 

I wouldn't pay that for a mixed a dog. You can get one at the shelter for a fraction of the cost!

 

I would pay that much for these mutts! lots of health testing throughout the pedigree and with the parents. I would like some temperament testing but these breeders seem well versed in breeding companion dogs.

If you can find a mutt in the shelter with as much health testing as these, wow where do you live?

 

I knew a family with a chocolate doodle (f4) the breeder had been breeding for many years, had a type and a standard for himself. All his personal dogs hunted and were awesome in the field. The pup was just as nice. I am not saying that the pup did any better then a well bred poodle, but the breeder knew what he was doing for sure.

 

I knew a family with a chocolate doodle (f4) the breeder had been breeding for many years, had a type and a standard for himself. All his personal dogs hunted and were awesome in the field. The pup was just as nice. I am not saying that the pup did any better then a well bred poodle, but the breeder knew what he was doing for sure.

That dog looks an awful lot like a Pudel Pointer. GWPs look similar as do Griffs. Since neither Labs or Poodles are natural pointers, I suspect it is a breed other than 'Doodle. There are "pointing Labs", but thay are not common, and most are no more than adequate pointers.

Whatever else he may be, he's a good lookin' dog. I'd take one of those.

 

If I want a mutt/mixed breed I will got to a shelter(I would also go to a shelter for a purebred).

 

There are Australian Labradoodles which are a real breed which has been breeding true for 20 some years has a national breed club, holds shows, and they are seeking recognition with the ANKC. However that is a different pedigree from most labradoodles you'll find in the USA

 

Most dogs in the U.S. are pets. Almost all, really. You could argue just as well that it's irresponsible to produce drivey working dogs when there aren't very many homes suited to drivey working dogs. It's a purpose, one just as "honorable" (or whatever you want to say that breeding for show or sports could be) as breeding for any other reason.

 

I would even go so far to say that, considering the current dog demographics, it would be more ethical to breed toward the purpose of producing an agreeable pet (of course, this varies for everyone, but probably most people want a pet who would be content without hours of daily exercise and who wouldn't become neurotic without a "job to do"), and placing the drivier pups in working homes, rather than the other way around. Far fewer dogs in shelters that way.

ummm...bull. seriously. and hypocritical much? saying that it's perfectly responsible to produce pet dogs by arguing that it's irresponsible to produce working dogs?

fallacious.

 

Regardless of whether a breeder is breeding a mixed breed or a purebred, it's irresponsible if the sole purpose of breeding is to make money. I'm not saying a breeder shouldn't make some money but, in terms of a purebred breeder, their main purpose should be to maintain or improve the standard and ensure the health of future generations of their breed. And whether the dog's purpose is for companionship or hunting or skijoring, the well being of the dog should be everyone's goal. I don't think going to a breeder for a pet is a bad thing; why wouldn't you want a healthy, well-raised dog in your home? Adopting an animal with no known history could be risky (as well as rewarding) so some people prefer to play it safe so to speak. Of course, it would be nice if there were no pets in shelters. I don't think it's fair to judge someone because they don't get their pets from an animal shelter. Personally, no offence, I'm not sure why you would want to use an animal in order to kill another one. Unfortunately, in today's society where immediate gratification rules, people will continue to buy puppies from pet stores and bybs. When that stops, the number of animals in shelters will most likely diminish significantly.

There is a new show on CMT called Pick a Puppy. Each episode focuses on a family who is looking for a puppy and they go to 3 breeders of 3 different breeds. I thought it would be a good way to show people to go to a breeder. However, people are picking mixed breed breeders too. One person even said she was looking for a mixed breed because she heard they were calmer. This show is sponsored heavily by Petsmart. It's these types of misconceptions that will land dogs in shelters.

IMO, don't only target the breeders of mixed breeds, target all breeders who don't give a crap about their dogs and just want money.

 

I would even go so far to say that, considering the current dog demographics, it would be more ethical to breed toward the purpose of producing an agreeable pet (of course, this varies for everyone, but probably most people want a pet who would be content without hours of daily exercise and who wouldn't become neurotic without a "job to do"), and placing the drivier pups in working homes, rather than the other way around. Far fewer dogs in shelters that way.

 

There are more working and sporting homes than you relize Willowy(tho you are right that "Pets" are the leader in the USA), almost all my dog friends offline work their dogs and buy from working breeders. And no a working person shouldn't have to find that "washout pup" A working owner has just as much rights as a pet owner to find the perfect bloodline for their purpose.

 

If a "washout" pet pup is just as drivey as one from working lines, what's the difference?

And what's to be done with the "washouts", then?

(Note: I do not believe that working breeders should stop breeding for their purposes. My point is that all purposes are equal, providing the breeder is responsible. Just playing devil's advocate here)

 

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If a "washout" pet pup is just as drivey as one from working lines, what's the difference? They are not advertised as working dogs and so working people can't find them. And you wouldn't know they are the washout untill after they hit sexual maturity when the drive and energy kicks in and by that time precious training time has been lost because the "pet" breeder didn't intend for this washout pup to be a hunting dog and didn't start the training. At least with a working bred litter someone will have a better chance of picking a puppy that turns out to be working quality, and if they go with an older puppy it is likly to have started training already.

And what's to be done with the "washouts", then? find an active pet home, I can think of plenty of people here that have high energy high drive dogs who even tho they don't work or do performance their dogs are still in a good home becuase the owner is an active hiker or runner.

(Note: I do not believe that working breeders should stop breeding for their purposes. My point is that all purposes are equal, providing the breeder is responsible. Just playing devil's advocate here) I understand, my responces should also be read as calm and calculated responces as your questions are calm and calculated questions.

 

nm... my points have all been covered.