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For raw feeders out there would the canned ziwipeak fall under "premade raw" even though its "shelf stable" until you open it?

I wanted to have some premade on hand that I could supplement the diet with for those times when I may need to take my dog someplace and he can't have raw or when travelling (it would be easier to have premade) I was thinking of once or twice a week as a meal giving the ziwipeak canned food, maybe one meal a day or topping off raw meals with it. Whichever seems to not turn his stool runny or bother his tummy. In the beginning I will top off his meals with a spoonful of the ziwipeak.

For reference I am getting a Papillon on Wednesday. He will be 12 weeks and 2 days old. I want to do the raw deit but as previously stated it would be nice to have him adjusted to premade as well for when times come up and its easier. Is this too much for the dog? I also looked into their freeze dried but I figured the can is easier to have on hand because it will be shelf stable for longer until opened. The bag would have to be used up within a month.
 

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Ehh I dunno. I don't really consider even dehydrated to actually be raw anymore, since it IS heated to temperatures around 160 degrees or so. I don't much know what they do with the canned, but I imagine they heat it a bit too, so I guess it gets the same label. Not quite raw, but not actually cooked, either. I really like Ziwipeak, though, and have used it with my rawfed dog and liked the results.
It's a lot better than actual canned food. I just don't think it's exactly raw anymore. Pretty close, though.
 

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I like the ziwippeak dog food Saya gets it for training treat she mainly eats raw, but gets rotation of kibble, dog treats, string cheese, dehydrated liver, or meat and ziwipeak makes yummy treat.

I think if I was going for long trip or camping I'd feed ziwipeak as meals unless I'm at a hotel that has a fridge then I'll bring some food..

There's pre made raw out there coarse it needs to be frozen or refrigerated..

If it's caned then it had to been cooked some most caned goods I done myself needs to be cooked some..

Ingredients in the caned food it good though. You could always feed raw as usual and give the caned a snacks or some meals so the dog is used to it in case of traveling.

There's Bravo! raw, nature's variety, stella and chewy's, primal, and Darwin naturals there is probably other kinds out there too.

Saya has had pre made grinds from hare today and nature's variety she has done good on both things.
 

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Anything in a can is--by definition--cooked, because canning requires processing at high temperatures.

But I don't see anything wrong with giving a raw-fed dog some canned food now and then.
 

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Thank you!

I will keep it on hand to use for times where it may be necessary as well as using it in Kongs and the like to supplement the raw diet. I will be feeding regular raw most of the time though!
 

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you can also stuff kongs with ground food and then freeze the kong. keeps them busy for a while.
Yup this is a great idea and I even feed Thumper half of his breakfast this way, as he eats ground raw in the mornings, I feed him half of his portion when he gets up, then the other half is frozen in a kong that I leave for him before I go to work.

On the whole convenience topic, I just want to add my opinions/experience here because I travel A LOT with my dogs, and both are raw fed. I bring my dogs on all kinds of trips from hotel stays for business or pleasure, rented ski lodges or condo's in the mountains, friends houses, relatives houses, camping in the RV, week long road trips from destination to destination visiting family and friends all over Alberta/BC, like.. we really do spend a lot of time on the road and I haven't found that raw feeding becomes a nuissance for us at all, but then again everyone is different, and I do understand its not always convenient, but its not impossible. If I can do it with a 20 lb and 45lb dog I'm sure it would be quite easy for one little dog.

Usually though, wherever I am going there is a freezer I'm able to stash some food in if necessary - this is never a problem for me, but may be for some. While travelling I simply pack a small cooler, I have all sizes of coolers on hand depending on length of the trip; and I put some freezer packs in it as well as all the raw frozen food and I pack it to my destination that way. If there's freezer space available I unload it there, and if not I refreeze the freezer packs immediately and keep the raw food frozen in the cooler, and just thaw out each daily meal in a fridge or in some cool-luke warm water in a sink or in a bowl, or on the counter. I pack mostly ground raw for trips since it is quite a bit easier and the dogs eat it right out of their bowls, but I do bring small prey model variety as well and raw meaty bones to entertain them while I'm out and about especially if I'm able to feed them outdoors, but if there's no place for me to feed them outdoors or on a deck or balcony I just pack ground raw. :)
 
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