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How do you get a white shepherd? I understand that there are breeders of strictly white GSD's, but I just read on the GSD standard that a white coat is disqualifying. So, I'm confused. I know in boxers, breeding whites is not responsible because you are passing on the gene for deafness, is there something similar with the white GSD?
 

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Some will tell you that White German shepherds are prone to deafness, but I believe that is just a myth. They are also completely different from albinos. They are unacceptable in the AKC show ring, but acceptable in the UKC. The reason for their disqualification is because German shepherds are a herding breed, and a white German shepherd would blend in too well with the sheep, and stand out too much in its environment, where it could be an easy target for wild animals. They can still be registered with the AKC under the color "white". One of the earliest German shepherds was white, and a prominent dog to the development of the breed and sired many working German shepherds. I don't know much about breeding, but from what I understand it's a recessive gene. A white bred with a sable could have white, sable, and black and tans depending on the genes of each dog. But a white bred with a white will provide an all white litter.

Very beautiful dogs, but I can't say I personally agree with breeding for the white color. Panda shepherds, though, look plain ridiculous in my opinion.
 

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Very beautiful dogs, but I can't say I personally agree with breeding for the white color. Panda shepherds, though, look plain ridiculous in my opinion.
Thanks for the info. The herding part makes perfect sense. And I've never seen a panda shepherd - thankfully. :rolleyes:
 

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Okee...I didn't say I agreed with breeding them, or that it was OK to breed only for color.

I think the pandas are pretty, but should be culled and not bred. (by cull I mean spay or neuter, not kill). I read that there's a lady here in Ohio that breeds for the pandas deliberately. She also has some black and white shepherds, which is also a color violation.

I'd say she's just a BYB.

The photo below came from her page. See? The dog isn't ugly. Maybe not to standard, but not hideous. Again, the dog should be spayed or neutered. Who knows what health issues can come from a recessive coloring like that.




And this one kind of looks like a tri color collie

 

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Oooh, that's a pretty dog. If I saw him, I'd think he was a mutt, though. Maybe Collie/GSD or something like that. I don't think a purebred GSD should look like that.
 

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Haha, I never did say those dogs were ugly, now did I? I don't think I've ever called a dog ugly before, just silly or ridiculous. Panda colored German shepherds are ridiculous looking. Of course, just my opinion.

Do you mind sharing the breeder's link with us? I'm interested in looking at some more pictures.

And wow, look at those eyes! Is that an attribute of all panda patterned GSDs?

BoxMeIn - I've never seen one either, and am glad for it. I don't know what I'd do if Panda patterned German shepherds became a new "fad"!!

You should definitely ask someone more knowledgeable if you want to know more about white German shepherd breeding. My knowledge is very, very limited :D
 

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I have no idea about the rest of it, but I know one GSD that is handsome, healthy and happy. :D


 

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If you have a computer, then you have google. Just google panda shepherds, and you can find it.

I don't know, I guess that RonE was right in his thread about respect and stuff. The internet is certainly not for the thin skinned.

I just think it's rude to say that a dog is ridiculous looking. But hey, its the internet and people tend to say things online that they wouldn't say in person.
 

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Buck always has me drooling. What a beautiful dog!

Sammgirl - I'm sorry if you have taken my comment about Panda shepherds in general as a personal attack. I don't mean to offend. I just simply say what I think. I did not feel like I was being disrespectful to you... that dog isn't yours, is it? If you think what I said about a fur pattern is offensive, than my apologies to you.

I mean, I just said I don't approve of white GSD breeding, and Renoman doesn't hate me for that (do you? o_O). Even if Buck is a complete hunk. <.< >.>
 

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I know someone that breeds GSDs and breeds white. I plan on getting a white GSD from him, maybe a long haired.
I don't consider him a BYB. He health test, takes all the dogs back(had someone drive from NJ to NC to give him a puppy back), and he's breeding for the old style GSDs...not the sloped back show dogs. So he doesn't breed to standard. He breeds for health, temperment, and the straight back bigger GSDs of the past.
I prefer them over the show dogs so if I get a GSD that's who I'm getting it from.
 

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I actually have a friend who is breeding her white German shepherd. Her girl is 2+ years old, has been shown, and DNA, eye, heart, liver, elbow, and hip tested. Her dogs are registered under the UKC, where white is acceptable. I call that responsible breeding, just not breeding I wish would take place.

luvable, if you're going to get a German shepherd puppy, I cannot wait to hear more about it! Congrats :D However, when you say "old-styled" German shepherds, do you mean old-styled = bigger? Because the true olden day German shepherd is on the small side.
 

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An old-style German shepherd is about 30-33 inches in height and weighs around 110- 140lbs. The features on the face are the same with regular German Shepherds, but the old-style dogs have larger heads, straight backs, big bones and no extreme angulations on the legs, giving it a noble and more poised look.
I took the site off because I don't feel like having people bitch about someone I personally know and they don't. -
I'm not planning on getting another dog for a while but when I do, if I get a GSD, it'll be from there.
 

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I know someone that breeds GSDs and breeds white. I plan on getting a white GSD from him, maybe a long haired.
I don't consider him a BYB. He health test, takes all the dogs back(had someone drive from NJ to NC to give him a puppy back), and he's breeding for the old style GSDs...not the sloped back show dogs. So he doesn't breed to standard. He breeds for health, temperment, and the straight back bigger GSDs of the past.
I prefer them over the show dogs so if I get a GSD that's who I'm getting it from.
You mean the same guy from a year or two ago that chooses to ignore the standard for no other reason than he wants to? Not breeding for standard makes him a BYB :p

The Paradise Creek site is a lie. The original GSDs were NEVER that large x.x

Not to mention the dogs he posted are labeled wrong in terms of style >.<

AND no OFA's! Shocking!

Right, real reputable...ugh >.<

As for the whites, it is a simple recessive gene...a masking gene actually. While the dog appears white, it could be a black and tan, sable, or solid black genetically xD

There are some responsible people breeding for the standardization of White Shepherds...some want them to become a separated breed here in the states, others want AKC to include them as a variety.

Not going to lie...I've seen some White GSDs that have GORGEOUS structure.

White is nearly extinct in the German lines...if not completely extinct already.

There is also much speculation as to why white is not allowed...it really hasn't been a disqualification all that long. The only thing Captain Max said was that white was just dull and unappealing to him...that was it xD
 

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I thought the showlines on the breed lines page were all German rather than German and American show lines.

Hm... I have a question of my own. What do you think of breeders who show in the UKC ring and register under UKC and breed white German shepherds? I mean, white IS acceptable in the UKC, and I think it would still be responsible breeding if they are doing everything right. Wouldn't it be?
 

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I think that the people that show in UKC, are following the standard, and are health testing their dogs are going in the right direction to establish a TRUE breed, and I can't and won't fault them for that.

They are not selling these dogs as rare novelties, they're taking care of their litters and staying within their standard.

I thought the showlines on the breed lines page were all German rather than German and American show lines.
They were.
 

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I grew up with white GSDs ...they were all SAR dogs and all from a breeder in Canada

if I were to ever one day get a GSD it would be from her line and she would be white :)...they are just close to my heart
 

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Xeph if you missed it, he health test all his dogs. Sorry but I know more about him then you do considering I know him personally. He HEALTH TEST his dogs. So he only breeds healthy dogs...not just breeds random ones.
First sign of him actually caring about breeding.
Second of all, he takes all the puppies back.
Third of all, he doesn't breed to standard because the sloped back GSDs are just disgusting IMO. They're trying to change the standard anyways.
Also, another big deal. He doesn't make money. He actually lost about 4,000 bucks with his last breeding.
So again he's not a BYB.
He's trying to breed to better the breed instead of breeding cute little show dogs
Also breeding for police dogs...so they'll be working.
Something most GSDs no nothing about now adays.
 

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Does he sell pet-quality pups on spay/neuter contracts? That would be another thing I'd look for. Do you know which health tests he does? Probably hip OFA, but do you know what else?

In most breeds I wouldn't seek out a show breeder either. But it is important that someone be a responsible breeder, working to better the breed.
 
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