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CHICAGO — A Cook County judge on Tuesday allowed prosecutors to file new animal-cruelty charges against a dog trainer dubbed the "Dog Whisperer."

Circuit Judge Marvin Luckman had earlier dismissed charges when police failed to show up at the initial court hearing for Ami Moore, 47, of the 100 block of South Racine Avenue, who is accused of using multiple shock collars on two dogs in June 2006.

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Luckman denied Assistant State's Atty. Ankur Srivastava's request to reinstate the charges. But he did allow prosecutors to file new charges once another Chicago police officer testified that he was one of the two officers who arrested Moore in July.

Moore's attorney, Edward Richman, said the new charges should not be allowed. He will be able to argue the matter at the next hearing, Dec. 14.

Under conditions of Moore's bail, she is not allowed to use more than one shock collar per dog and is not allowed to use shock collars on dogs younger than 4 months, Srivastava said.
# 2 A man charged with beating a Lab/Chow pup several months old to death with his fists, because it ate papers and soiled itself (whatever that means) He is a 4th grade teacher,
How would you like your kid to be in one of his classes.

I understand now why 2 of the last 3 IL governors are in jail, it's the people who vote for them maybe. I'm Just Sayin'....
 

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You missed the article on the scumbag that killed his girlfriends dog last week, (i think near the elgin area) mutilated it pretty badly. These people need the EXACT same thing done to them
 

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It is unfortunately all too often IMO. There was one on the local news yesterday ... someone tied three dogs to a railroad track and then video taped them being hit by the train! Horrid!!! .... Beyond horrid!!!

Believe it or not ... one little dog miraculously survived and somehow lay down flat between the rails as the train ran over and above them. That little dog is now in the hands of a rescue.

I do not yet know what the person faces as charges?
 

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How would you like your kid to be in one of his classes.

I understand now why 2 of the last 3 IL governors are in jail, it's the people who vote for them maybe. I'm Just Sayin'....
So, are these new charges for Ami Moore? (who calls herself the Chicago Dog Whisperer) She's been charged before, but got off that time. Why am I not filled with confidence that under conditions of her bail she's only allowed to put one shock collar on a dog at a time, and not on a puppy younger than 4 months - shudder. Her tap and tell method is to strap several collars on various parts of a dog's anatomy and activate collars to make the dog move away from the shock. Sort of like controlling a remote control robot. IMO the terms of her bail shouldn't allow her within 15 feet of anyone's dog except her own and should not allow her to "train" other people's dogs until the trial is completed.
 

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She sounds like a real winner. I hope all dogs she's ever "tried" are ok
 

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OH MY GOD this lady is horrifying.

http://www.dogdoright.com/dog-training-philosophy.htm

is this actually real life? Is she serious???

I'll never understand why some people can't just live with dogs, train them, love them, and spend time with them without wanting to hyper-control their every move for the sake of some pack dominance theory.

Some of the social interactions that the majority of dogs will perceive as subservient or submissive are:

Moving out of the dogs path
Walking over a resting dog so that it is not disturbed
Allowing the dog to sit, lean or lie upon your body
If my dogs are sleeping, I'm not going to make them get up... I'm just going to walk around them. And I guess we're never allowed to come in contact with the dog? I lie on the floor with mine.... I guess I'm an abusive owner :wink:
 

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I looked at her site. I'd go into a rant about how stupid all of her information is, but I'd be preaching to the choir here. I'm just going to go and read this again to get that crap out of my head.

From an assortment of books, I have discovered the following cautionary “advice” for owners. Never let a dog stare or jump-up, never stand, crouch or kneel down in front of a dog, never look a dog in the eyes, or reach over his head, never loom over a dog and reach down around his neck, never get down on the floor or allow a dog to stand over you, never give a dog food treats or human food, never allow a dog to eat before the family or go out of a door first, never allow a dog on furniture, upstairs, in the bedroom, or on the bed, never let a dog mount your leg, never let a puppy mouth or bite, and never play chase, tug o' war, or play-fight with a dog. Instead, novice owners are routinely advised to enforce “elevation dominance”, “dominance down-stays”, physical restraint and discipline and especially, the “alpha-rollover” — grabbing a dog by the jowls and forcing him onto his back.

All of these recommendations destroy the fun and enjoyment of living with a dog, most recommendations are just too silly for words, some are counterproductive and others are downright dangerous.

The above behaviors and actions were misconstrued as the dog's intention of dominating people even though these behaviors and situations have absolutely nothing at all to do with social rank or aggression during dog-human interactions. Basically, if an owner is OK with the dog’s behavior, then there is no problem, whereas if the owner is worried about the dog’s behavior and can neither prevent nor control it, then there is a problem.
Thanks, Dunbar. That did the trick.
 

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No handling and gentling? No puppy-biting? But physical restraint and dominance instead? This has to be the most time-consuming, difficult, and potentially dangerous way to “train” any animal! Many of the above cautions are not without reason. However, whereas they may be sound advice when dealing with an unfamiliar dog, and good advice for children interacting with any dog, such recommendations are just too silly for words when generalized to living with a dog that you know.



Puppy biting is normal, natural and necessary. In fact, it is the puppy that doesn't mouth and bite that augurs ill for the future, since he has never had the opportunity to develop bite inhibition. Of course puppy biting has to be eliminated before adolescence, but via a specific four-step process, whereby the pup first learns to inhibit the force of his biting before he is taught to stop biting (now modified to gentle mouthing) altogether.
I've been preaching for the 4 years that I have been on DF that puppies can do no wrong. It's just common sense.

It absolutely amazes me when I read about the constant attacks of the 8 week old killer puppies. aaaaaaggggghhhhh!!!!!
 

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I can't even watch the video....I think I'd throw up if I saw her using the halti as a shock device.
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va4DEd2FvYU

please, PLEASE tell me that the white object on the halti is not an electrical shock device.

Is this dog being shocked at all (on the ladder)?? I dont understand what's happening...

What is a "tapper" ?? (vaguely referenced on her website)
I believe he is being shocked. Tapper is one of her euphemisms for shock. Another is E-click. I find almost everything about her dog "training" disturbing. I can teach a ladder or dog walk more quickly than that with just a clicker (non-electrical) and treats. AND the dogs look happy.
 

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That dog looks miserable.

If you're going to shock a dog, just call it a shock.
 
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