[Erick Aguilar]

Hey peeps.

As you remember, my dog Prudi ran away for a day before she came back, she was in heat when she ran away, and we can tell she is pregnant now.. she might deliver the pups in 4 to 5 weeks from today.

The thing is that i don't know what size of dog she mated with, and that worries me, because Prudi is a small dog, and i've heard that little dogs can die when they give birth to puppies that have a bigger dog breed in them.

However, i think i know what dog mated with her, as a weird bully mix has been roaming around our house lately,i asume that could be the dog that mated with her, the dog is 3 times bigger than prudi.

Maybe a C section could solve the problem, but i already talked to some vets, and they don't practice such operation in a regular basis, so that worries me.. plus the cost is a bit high.

Could a dog which is 3 times bigger than my dog cause any trouble when she is delivering the pups??

 

[txcollies]

Sometimes they surprise you. I had a pgymy goat get bred by to a Boar by accident, she delivered no problem.

If C section isn't workable for you, then just wing it and see how it goes.

 

[BoxMeIn21]

How about you just abort the pups and have her spayed.

 

[Erick Aguilar]

How about you just abort the pups and have her spayed.

Uh, not this again.

I can't get her spayed.
and i WON'T abort the puppies, it's not prudis fault she got pregnant, it was my responsability, and i won't kill the puppies because of something i did, plus, i already started talking with friends who can take the puppies if they are born without complications.

 

[Dogstar]

A pregnant spay is going to be cheaper than a c-section.

Kill the pups,or potentially kill your dog (especially if you don't have a vet who is comfortable doing a c-section and willing ot be available nights and weekends)... those are pretty much your choices.

 

[BoxMeIn21]

Uh, not this again.

I can't get her spayed.
and i WON'T abort the puppies, it's not prudis fault she got pregnant, it was my responsability, and i won't kill the puppies because of something i did, plus, i already started talking with friends who can take the puppies if they are born without complications.

What? Not what again? I was just throwing that out as an option...

 

[MrsJohnnyG]

i WON'T abort the puppies, it's not prudis fault she got pregnant, it was my responsability, and i won't kill the puppies because of something i did,

I'm glad to hear this... although I don't agree with letting an unspayed dog escape to get into this situation, abortion of puppies is inhumane as it's done without any anesthesia to the unborn puppies. I'd rather see the puppies born then humanely euthanized than aborted.

Is there a way this dog can be somehow adopted by a family in either the U.S. or an area of your country where care such as C-sections and spaying are not as prohibitively expensive? I know you care about this dog but it doesn't seem to me that you have the resources to properly care for her, not to mention the puppies that are now on the way.

 

[Erick Aguilar]

I'm glad to hear this... although I don't agree with letting an unspayed dog escape to get into this situation, abortion of puppies is inhumane as it's done without any anesthesia to the unborn puppies. I'd rather see the puppies born then humanely euthanized than aborted.

Is there a way this dog can be somehow adopted by a family in either the U.S. or an area of your country where care such as C-sections and spaying are not as prohibitively expensive? I know you care about this dog but it doesn't seem to me that you have the resources to properly care for her, not to mention the puppies that are now on the way.

We have the resource to take care of her if she is not pregnant, or unspayed, the reason she escaped was an accident because she managed to squeeze through our front door when my mother opened it to take the trash out.

But even if her life is in danger, i would never give her to anybody else, if she is going to have her first litter, i would love it to be with us at our home.

But i have a question.. is there i way i can make her physically stronger for her to resist the delivery? I.E. with food, vitamins, excersize, something??

 

[cshellenberger]

Eric, aren't you in central Mexico? If you were closer I'd recommend getting a US vet to take care of her as many will do a scheduled C-section, especially if you let them know the possible dad is MUCH larger than the mom. It would mean you'd be in the waiting room, but it's better than taking a risk with her life.

As far as feeding, I'd put her on a high quality puppy food now, it's about that time anyhow, or if she's raw fed, increase her feedings half again as much as she'd normally get.

http://www.vetinfo.com/pregnant-dogs.html

Be sure if you can't get a scheduled C-section, you have the emergency # of a vet you trust and PLENTY of money for the emergency C-Section and prepare for the possibility that she may end up needing an emergency spay if she hemorrhages (can happen even in normal deliveries).

Walk her like normal for now, as she gets larger, lighten up on the excercise, just as you would if she were human.

 

[Erick Aguilar]

Thank you cshellenberger

I live in northern Mexico, but two hours away from Texas, they won't let me get pets through the border, need a special permit (In mexican words, a new way to suck money out of people) which is the equivalent to bringing U.S.A. bought cars into mexico.

I'll start preparing, having my vets emergency number ready, build her a doggie bed for her to sleep inside our house when the pups are about to arrive, and just hope that it was a little dog which bred with her.

 

[cshellenberger]

Erick how big is she? You'll need a whelping box, if she's small enough a kidde pool will work (like the kind you get at WalMart), it's more to keep the pups contained and limit the mess.

 

[pamperedpups]

What will you do if Prudi has complications during the pregnancy or delivery, or after the delivery?

What will you do if Prudi or the puppies become ill?

Will your family be able to afford vaccinations and dewormer for these pups, as well as the extra food it will take to feed them and Prudi?

Assuming Prudi has the puppies okay and raises them to a placeable age, how many homes do you think you'll have lined up for those pups?

Do you think the pups will likely be altered by their owners, or will they, too, be likely to mature and produce even more unwanted pups?

What will you do with the pups if you cannot find homes for them?

 

[Entwine]

We have the resource to take care of her if she is not pregnant, or unspayed, the reason she escaped was an accident because she managed to squeeze through our front door when my mother opened it to take the trash out.

Okay, I'm not trying to start an argument with you, as from what I've seen reading past threads, you are very much set in your beliefs. But, I'm just curious as to how that statement makes sense. "We have the resources to take care of her UNLESS this happens". And it did. And, thus, by your own statement, you DO NOT have the resources to take care of her. She IS pregnant, and giving birth may KILL her and her puppies. Whatever you do is your choice.. I'm just wondering how you could say that you do have the resources to care for her UNLESS something that has happened happens. And it did.

Also, you say it's not her fault (which I agree, it most certainly isn't), and yet you're willing to let her go through such a potentially damaging endeavor.

Finally, if you can't or couldn't afford to spay her, how will you afford the proper health care for both her and her puppies? I'm not sure about Mexico, but it is a substantial amount of money to raise a healthy litter in the US (if you're responsible).

 

[marsha=whitie]

Doggy abortion is ok if the bitch may end up dying from the pups... Which do you love more, your beliefs, or your innocent dog?

 

[CorgiKarma]

We have the resource to take care of her if she is not pregnant, or unspayed, the reason she escaped was an accident because she managed to squeeze through our front door when my mother opened it to take the trash out.

If it happened once it can, and most likely will, happen again.

if she is going to have her first litter, i would love it to be with us at our home.

This worries me, if she is going to have her first litter. This is exactly why she needs to be spayed, so it will be her first and only. Really, it is in her best interest for you save up enough funds to have her spayed.

 

[Erick Aguilar]

What will you do if Prudi has complications during the pregnancy or delivery, or after the delivery? Already have my Vet on standby in any case there are complications during delivery or pregnancy, he will tell us what is the best in any case, maybe there is another way around the C section, i don't know all the secret hands in vet medicine.

What will you do if Prudi or the puppies become ill? We can cost that, because we've already paid when Prudi or Apollo get sick, as for the puppies, if they have a mild illness we can pay, then we will, but if it is some illness, such as parvovirus, we will put them down (plus the vet tecs here preffer pups with parvo to be put down instead of trying to save them)

Will your family be able to afford vaccinations and dewormer for these pups, as well as the extra food it will take to feed them and Prudi?
I already spoke, and have 4 puppies already with homes with people i've known for years, and they agreed to be the ones paying for the first row of vaccinations and deworming.
Extra food will not be a problem for the first month we are keeping the puppies, when they reach their second month, getting more food won't be impossible to get, plus.. the pups will only stay with us for two months.(moms call, not mine, talk to her instead of bashing me)

Assuming Prudi has the puppies okay and raises them to a placeable age, how many homes do you think you'll have lined up for those pups?
At the moment 4, lets say that prudi has 6 puppies based on her size.
Two more, i can easily get, my vet might even want to adopt one.

Do you think the pups will likely be altered by their owners, or will they, too, be likely to mature and produce even more unwanted pups?
Out of the possible 6 pups, i can tell you that 2 pups will get altered, neutering and spaying is not a common practice here in mexico (not by part of the vets, but families just don't want to spay their dogs, or can't afford it)

What will you do with the pups if you cannot find homes for them?
Oh, i will find homes for them, and i can't find homes that i like for them, there is a rescue organization here in my state that also has an adoption program all around the country.

And no CorgiKarma, it won't happen again, the first time happened because she was in heat, and my male was still waiting on his neutering appointment, so she was staying inside, and he was outside in our backyard, now he got neutered, and there won't be any need to devide them again, plus my backyard is safe enough not to let any foreign dog enter.

She is in the small margain cshellenberger, two inches bigger than an adult toy scottish terrier, i think a kiddie pool will suit her perfectly.

 

[MissMutt]

Wouldn't it cost less to spay/abort now than have a C-Section done, provide care for multiple puppies and deal with the hassle of rehoming them?

Just asking, out of curiosity. I could be wrong, I don't know if things are different over there. I just feel like all along, money has been an issue for you guys, but now because of the idea of unborn pups being aborted, the tables have been turned. Don't take me the wrong way - I'm really just trying to see where you guys stand on the whole thing.

 

[Snuggles]

Personally I think you are being a very responsible owner now. Okay, you had a "oops" that you were not planning on but well it is over and done with. You have a vet waiting and families waiting. You are doing the right thing. I have never had puppies but you sound like you are doing what you can do.

I would love to see those puppies.

 

[CorgiKarma]

Personally I think you are being a very responsible owner now. Okay, you had a "oops" that you were not planning on but well it is over and done with.

The fact that there was an "oops" is not a sign of responsibility. And I'd hardly consider an entire new litter of unplanned puppies an "oops".

 

[Snuggles]

Well the damage (if you want to call it that) is done and not much they can do about it now. I can understand that he does not want to abort the puppies.