well I’m finally getting a DNA test on Ginger... what will you say when it confirms Ginger is a Dutch Shepherd? Will you apologize to me??? i would actually find it more fascinating if it indicated any other breed predominantly...she might not fit your idea of a dutchy... but Ginger has and ONLY has dutch shepherd traits... she is very shepherd and very brindled... all other breeds speculated about by others here or the dutch shepherd forum were all bogus, based on traits she doesnt have... she’s not a mastiff, akita, or pitt mix... her coat is nothing like a pitt bulls and exactly like a dutch shepherds.... Ive met several DSDs since Ive been active on here... there are several in my neighborhood even....all have recognized her as obviously a dutch shepherd...as have police from K9 units. I’m now convinced my previous dog, Valkyrie, was 1/2 rott and 1/2 dutch shepherd; she had all the dutchy characteristics Ginger doesn’t have... extraordinary speed, agility, coordination and athleticism...Ginger is easily twice her strength with a far more powerful bite... one thing... is I’m SO WRONG about Ginger...how is it I’ve had the ability to spot dutch shepherds so easily and accurately?!? Ginger defined what a dutch shepherd was to me initially.... Why is it that dogs I’ve met that were similar to her have unfailingly been dutch shepherds?!? I’m sorry if i come off as intractible or contrarian... but what you and so many others have said about Ginger... and me... makes no sense...Seeing Dutch shepherds walk around regularly, I'll say your dog doesn't strike me as a Dutch shepherd.
The kruising Hollandse herders you speak of are also referred to KNPV Dutch shepherds. They are an actual thing, you're right about that, it's not a myth. These dogs are not recognized as official Dutch shepherds and don't have FCI pedigrees, but KNPV dogs do have known lineages and their own pedigrees, though I do not know the specifics there. The dog will be written down as a 'Hollandse herder X' or 'Mechelse herder X' or 'Duitse herder X' to show it's not an actual Dutch shepherd or Malinois or GSD, but looks like one and is from KNPV lines, so has those dogs in its pedigree. These KNPV bred dogs are intense dogs with lots of character, bred for sport and work. If you can appreciate and work with their qualities, you can make them do most anything.
Even so, your dog doesn't strike me as a KNPV Dutch shepherd either, I'm sorry.
I agree with JohnnyBandit. I wish those people on the Dutch shepherd forum were a little nicer to you though. I can see where your thoughts about your dog's origins come from.
Oh well; I’ll have PROOF soon enough. I have, nor have ever had, any reason to delude myself about what ginger is; or just WANT her to be a DS so bad as to blind me.... Since i never knew what a DS was before ginger... even after already having a half dutchy.... I was disappointed you would follow the herd in such conformity and groupthink.....Ginger is a brindled shepherd... whatever she actually is, it was never “nonsense” to think her a dutchy... and believing so has helped guide me in raising her, which was the whole reason for believing she was a dutchy!! My horrific experience with the abusive, hate filled bullies at the Dutch Shepherd forum turned me off from social media completely and altogether for all these years...they are a profoundly pathetic lot of people unworthy of such magnificent dogs...