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I watch the show all the time and I think his methods are really good. Then I read online that these dog trainers say his methods are "inhumane, bad" and so on. But I think they're looking at it from the humans point of view, not the dogs. I've thought about becoming a dog trainer, but I think if I do what Cesar does, I couldn't get certified because they might not agree with the techniques. Do you think his techniques are good or bad?
 

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If you're thinking about becoming a dog trainer should we then call you Cesar Jr. Would you rather not learn methods and points of view from different trainers so you can then develope your own training program. Just and idea for you to think about.
 

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I watch the show all the time too and I really have to say that I think his techniques are very useful and I have used them on my dog. They seem to work VERY well! I think that you should become a dog trainer because you can definitely help dogs everywhere!



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Its not that I wouldn't listen to the training they give me, its just that I also want to use the methods I saw on the show because they look really useful.
 

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ok....this debate had been done to death and beyond on these forums so all i will say is this...

there is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaayyy more out there about training dogs than Cesar.

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his show has a "do not try this at home" disclaimer for a reason.
 

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Please do a search on dogforums for "Dog Whisperer" and/or Cesar Milan.

You will have enough opinions, some of the quite heated, to take you into the next century.

My opinion is that he is a talented and charismatic entertainer. I watch his shows, sometimes, because I like to see the dogs, but I believe the disclaimer that says, essentially, "Do NOT try this at home." I also own several of his books because I want to be informed about wide-ranging ideas - however outrageous.
 

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I didnt do the hard techniques that looked like they would be dangerous...I olny did the easy ones like the "ch" thing he does.

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Do a little more research on alternative methods to his and then try comparing and contrasting them. It's hard to state that only one trainer has "got it right"; there are many different methods, and differing ones work with different dogs. Some of Cesar's methods performed by inexperienced trainers will only agitate some dogs and worsen the problem, especially if said trainers have done no outside research on dog behavior.
 

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Depends on the individual dog in my opinion. I mean if none of his techniques were effective what so ever, he wouldn't be on the air, training dogs etc. Different strokes for different folks in other words.

Some people curse his techniques. That's laughable. People are too critical raising dogs now a days. They tend to over analyze simple training concepts. I like Ceaser's shows and SOME of his techniques.

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personally, i prefer Victoria Stilwel (It's Me or the Dog)....i like the more positive/treat approach.....i think it gets further w/out the dog thinking it has to fear a person....i, also, was quite put out by his method of "retraining" a Dane to walk on linoleum....totally unfair to the dog...not to mention some of the other dogs he's done....
 

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I have to agree with PitBully. I also think he has "something" with dogs that the average Jo doesn't have, kind of strange really. I have to admit I have tried a couple of things with Dakota [9 months old] and she looks at me like WTF?? and doesn't get it at all:D maybe meant for older dogs???
 

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I am not going to play into this question that the OP has asked before in a differnet way.

I will only say that those who disagree with the methods used by Mr. Milan disagree because in spite of the disclaimer, some loose nut WILL try it at home and it WILL backfire and those who disagree with his techniques do not do so by anthropomorphising dogs but because they have learned and studied LEARNING THEORY. These theories, BTW were studied on ANIMALS (operant and classical conditioning, the effects of positive reinforcement, positive punishment, negative punishment and negative reinforcement).

Go back to your last thread OP and see what was said there. The argument is the same and your question is the same. I am not going down this road again!

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Then I read online that these dog trainers say his methods are "inhumane, bad" and so on.
Any why do you believe they would say that?

But I think they're looking at it from the humans point of view, not the dogs.
What makes you believe they aren't considering the dog's POV?

I've thought about becoming a dog trainer, but I think if I do what Cesar does, I couldn't get certified because they might not agree with the techniques.
It depends on which certifying agency your talking about, but most will only test for your general knowledge in the science of dog training. Not your ability to handle the dog. Your customers will "certify" you in that regard.

Do you think his techniques are good or bad?
His technique is spectacular. His philosophy is outdated, flawed, and sends dog training back 30 years.
 

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His technique is spectacular. His philosophy is outdated, flawed, and sends dog training back 30 years.
I Like Some of what he does. His stressing of exercise and a calm assertive attitude help. I even dont have issues as some do with at least some of his flooding tech. His adversarial use of Pack and dominance is flat out wrong and outdated. And that wrong info can lead to true animal abuse.
 

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I don't care for him....It's me or the Dog is better.

For some reason, I can't warm up to the Dog Whisperer :confused:
 

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His technique is spectacular. His philosophy is outdated, flawed, and sends dog training back 30 years.
This has been done to death in the previous 17 or so page thread, but I'll say again that while I think his techniques are not for everyone at best and deeply flawed at worst his philosophy isn't. What is wrong with Cesar's basic philosophy of Exercise, Discipline and Affection? People on here swear by NILFIF (myself being one of them) and then turn around and criticize Cesar because he advocates making a dog earn affection. I don't see anything wrong with putting rules and boundaries on a dog.
 

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What is wrong with Cesar's basic philosophy of Exercise, Discipline and Affection?
You mean besides how trivial these are to the ignorant? Really, dogs need exercise (in moderation)? Really, a dog's guardian needs to be disciplined in their training? Really, we should have our dogs earn resources? You don't say. This is not a philosophy as much a necessity to dog guardianship, or the guardianship of any living creature on the planet. Cesar's philosophy is that of the dominance hypothesis. Outdated, flawed, and unnecessary in dog training...or what ever you want to call what Cesar does.

People on here swear by NILFIF (myself being one of them) and then turn around and criticize Cesar because he advocates making a dog earn affection. I don't see anything wrong with putting rules and boundaries on a dog.
No one criticzes NILIF because NILIF is not based on the dominance hypothesis. NILIF is based on priority access to resources. Resources are reinforcers of behavior. The term "reinforcer" comes from learning theory, not some erroneously contrived explanation for dog behavior.
 

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This has been done to death in the previous 17 or so page thread, but I'll say again that while I think his techniques are not for everyone at best and deeply flawed at worst his philosophy isn't. What is wrong with Cesar's basic philosophy of Exercise, Discipline and Affection? People on here swear by NILFIF (myself being one of them) and then turn around and criticize Cesar because he advocates making a dog earn affection. I don't see anything wrong with putting rules and boundaries on a dog.
do you make a child "earn affection"? ....does the dog make you earn its affection? ....i don't look at NILIF as being the same thing as E-D-A ...and i also don't think that the affection should be the last thing....affection and exercise should pretty much go hand in hand w/ the "discipline" being last...there should be more of the 2 and as little of the 1 as possible--just to get them to understand "wrong" (oops, dogs don't understand "wrong vs right")....a dog should come into your home b/c of the affection that you want to give/have and not have to be perfect in order to get it....a little bit of love goes a long way when dealing w/ dogs and kids...and rules and boundaries are all a part of a happy home....
 
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