This is Shug (Actually Suga---"Sugar" with a Southern accent, and I can't say it properly....my mouth is not Southern. So I call her Shug). My mom is fostering her. Spayed female, about 3 1/2 years old. Is bossy with the other dogs, and will bark at them to get them to play or if they're doing something she doesn't like. Wants to eat the bird, and will fixate on him, just staring at the cage for long periods. Likes to shred her stuffed toys. Has longer, crimped fur on her ears (looks like an '80s hairstyle back when everyone had crimping irons). Weighs about 40 pounds, and is 16 inches tall at the shoulder.
I see the BC for sure. But what do you think she's mixed with? I'm thinking Spaniel of some kind, or maybe Beagle (I see it in her head shape). I can't remember where I saw the crimped ear fur before....on a Brittany? Springer?
Hehe, everyone is a BYB around here. If someone has never raised a litter of pups they're weird. Especially if their dog is purebred....they concede that mutts maybe should be spayed/neutered, but if you have a purebred, you might as well make some money by selling pups. But I digress......
I don't know exactly where she was found. I was told she was young and very emaciated when found, but I was not told where she was found. But her former owner lived in a very small town about 20 miles from here. In the rurals very near that town, there is a very large puppymill that has just about every breed. From Chihuahuas to Mastiffs, Shih Tzus to Bernese Mountain Dogs. So who knows?
What do you consider to be a "bird dog"? A Springer? A GSP?
She looks all Border Collie to me -- though a little on the small side. Does she have the "eye"? Does she have a fixed stare at things like toys, or something that moves? Does she sort of crouch, with her front legs lower than the back end, or maybe in a complete down, when she's doing the "stare"?
Her behaviour will tell you if she's a BC or not. Their instincts are so strong that's the surest sign. If she doesn't have the "eye", then she's not a BC, or at least, there's some other breed in there drowning out the instincts.
She looks mostly BC to me, the only thing off is the ears. The ears look aussie, but she is small..too small to be aussie x BC...on the small side to be pure BC too..I'm gonna go with BC x spaniel, no idea what kind of spaniel though.
No, she doesn't do the BC stare. And I think her legs are too short to be pure BC, even if badly bred. For some reason I thought of her when I saw the Kooikerhondje/Munsterlander thread.....there ARE a lot of Dutch people in the area, though I don't know if any of them breed Dutch dogs. Well, probably we'll never know, unless I spring for a DNA test and her breeds are covered by it.
New developments....her former owner tells me she was found in Tennessee, and I don't know which breeds are common there. He former owner believes she's part pit, but this is based on some silly things she was told by other people (she has "pit eyes"; she has colored patches on her tummy that "only pits have" etc.). I saw a Brittany at the shelter that looked like her in the face and eyes (except he was liver and white). I have more pictures that I need to upload. She hates having her picture taken, so it's hard to get a pic of her looking relaxed.....she always has her ears back in the pics.
do you have some better shots?...some that are not "looking down" on her?....from what i see there, she looks pure BC to me....remember, Borders come in many sizes, shapes, drives, "eye", etc....i could put up pics of all 4 of mine from the side and they don't look the same (similar, but not the same)...heads are different, build is different, even the way they move is different.....
as for Kody, i am thinking that he may be BC w/ a little Whippet or IG thrown in there...the flyball people like to get the speed w/ smaller size and have bred (as alot of you know) Border/Jacks, Border/IG, Border/Whippet, and he did come from down south which, i may be wrong, but i was told is big into flyball.....i'll do some trimming up on him (feet and such) and post some close up and you'll see what i mean....
Like I said, she really HATES having her picture taken. She runs when she even sees someone pick up the camera, LOL. I'll try to get some better ones. My brother takes most of the pics, and, since he's really tall, they all come out looking down on the subject.
She's a funny dog. She's not really drivey enough (IMO) to be pure BC, although I'm sure some BCs turn out to be not as drivey as the others. She doesn't fixate on the bird anymore, but she still wants to eat him.
Yes, her ears are airplaned with fringe. They stick out to the side when she's alert. This first pic shows her ears the way they normally are, not pinned to her head (although these 2 pics are fuzzy....like I said, I'll try to get some better ones).
Finally! Yeah, we're the world's worst procrastinators . Here DNA results came back today, and this is what it said:
Level 2 (37%-74%) Australian Shepherd (surprise! no BC!)
Level 4 (10%-19%) Collie (presumably Rough Collie? They do have BC on their breed list)
Level 4 (10%-19%) English Springer Spaniel (I knew she had Spaniel in her)
Level 4 (10%-19%) German Shepherd Dog confused
Level 4 (10%-19%) Great Pyrenees confused
Level 4 (10%-19%) Weimaraner confused
So she's some kind of mutt! With that mix, I'm surprised she isn't bigger. And that she doesn't have thicker fur.