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I've been raising dogs for 40 years, and Never had a dog get parvo after immunization.

About 6 months ago I had a dog get parvo after vaccinating......and recently had 3 of them get parvo.

Brand names are numerous:

First Companion,
Canine Spectra 5
Canine Imuno-Vax 9.

Pls stop using the vaccines made by Boehringer Ingelheim Vetmedica............they are NOT GOING TO WORK.
These are supplied by Feed stores........

Find a non profit organization to vaccinate your pets......and make SURE the manufacturer isn't boehringer ingelheim.

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I'd suggest go to the VET for vaccines. Sometimes a DIY process is not very good.

As the ol' saying goes...... "You get what you pay for."
 

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Of course. From now on I'm getting them vaccinated at a non-profit in my area.

But realize that this just happened recently. Before this I've NEVER had a problem with the shots sold at the Feed Store.

And if you Bing/Google vaccinations, the product is being sold EVERYWHERE.

Lots of dogs have already/are going to die because of these aholes and their garbage product.

There are probably some vets that are using this product also.......so CHECK FIRST.

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Of course it's possible that the problem is on the manufacturer's end, but I think it's more likely that the particular packages you got had been mishandled at some point, such as being exposed to temperatures outside their safe range. It's much easier for that to happen with retail products than those at the vet's office. Did you purchase all the defective products from the same feed store?
 

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I am not a vet and not claiming to know what happened to your dogs. Sorry to hear that you had these cases of parvo. But there are two possible scenarios too... One is, as parus mentioned, that the vaccinations were mishandled. Where we work, we will literally toss entire trays of vaccines if they were stored incorrectly (ex. when I left them on the counter overnight). I don't know enough about feed stores' protocols but I imagine they don't have a medical professional on staff like vet clinics and shelters do. Two is, parvovirus lives for a long time in the environment and is hard to kill. There was a tragic case in my city where a woman adopted a puppy and did not complete the vaccination series. Then she took the puppy to the dog park. It contracted parvo and died. She then got another puppy and that puppy also contracted parvo - likely from within her own home from virus shed by her previous puppy. This was a horrible situation all around.

So, I imagine that there is a risk of failure for any vaccinations. And a lot of efficacy is determined by overall pet health, genetics, vaccination history, and other factors. But it is possible that the issue in your situation was not due to the vaccine companies themselves, but by subsequent factors when the vaccine was purchased, transported, redistributed, etc. Regardless, I hope you caught the symptoms early and that all of your pups recover quickly.
 

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It could have been mishandling by one feed store........but not 2 different feed stores. And these people know how to handle them and keep them cold...........And this happened twice .....about 6 months apart.......

And it's NEVER happened before that......so.......Occam's Razor......they screwed up the product somehow.....

And here's an aside that will no doubt provoke more posts that put the blame on ME, or the feed store, but God forbid not the manufacturer.

For over 30 years, I've only shot up my puppies ONCE....around 5-6 weeks.

And not only that, but I've SPLIT one shot among 3 puppies, or 2 or however it works out, cause all they need is a 'taste' so they can develop the antibodies.....go read up on how vaccines work......

And NEVER had a dog get parvo.......Never......

And I'm done with this thread........my purpose was to warn people not to use those products.....that's really all I can do

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Well, no one is blaming you. There are just many reasons why a vaccine wouldn't work and you can't prove it's manufacturer error.

Regarding 'how vaccines work'. It's not as simple as splitting a vaccine for smaller dogs. Sure, some dogs can form a sufficient amount of antibodies from a small exposure to modified live virus. Some dogs never get vaccinated at all in their lives, never contract parvo/distempter/etc. and have high titers/antibody levels. Some puppies get the full serious of vaccinations and still get a virus because there was a perfectly imperfect gap between the drop-off of maternal antibodies and formation of their own antibodies, or other reasons.

Are you a medical professional? Other than personal anecdote and unfortunate circumstances that are causing you to form correlations and causations in your mind, can you prove that a manufacturers faulty vaccines caused parvovirus in your dogs? If not, it would be best not to jump to blanket statements. And if you truly are sure, then I imagine the company would like to know. You can report "Adverse events" by calling this number. I copied and pasted this directly from the site:

"Please report any unexpected effects or product problems to the Drug Information Unit by calling 1-800-542-6257(option 4) "

Here is the direct link: https://www.boehringer-ingelheim.us/contact-form
 

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Of course. From now on I'm getting them vaccinated at a non-profit in my area.

But realize that this just happened recently. Before this I've NEVER had a problem with the shots sold at the Feed Store.

And if you Bing/Google vaccinations, the product is being sold EVERYWHERE.

Lots of dogs have already/are going to die because of these aholes and their garbage product.

There are probably some vets that are using this product also.......so CHECK FIRST.

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And while there is mention of getting a pet vaccinated at a non-profit... I want to say that simply being a "non profit" says nothing about the quality of vaccine storage, handling and administration. For years I've worked at, and currently work at, an animal welfare nonprofit that regularly offers free vaccination clinics for the community. We follow proper vaccination protocols. I have seen with my own eyes other animal welfare nonprofits who can't even quaratine zoonotic diseases effective.

Feed store, vet clinic, community clinic, breeder, and everything in between... Error can occur anywhere. But vets aren't bad - they should be the first option for anything medically related. Vaccines aren't bad. Specific vaccine companies aren't bad. Bad decisions, and errors, can be made by humans anywhere.

And none of this is garbage. Vaccination efficacy has been tested time and time again, in quite questionable studies (ie, literally putting healthy/vaccinated and healthy/unvaccinated puppies in a room with symptomatic puppies that test positive and seeing how many healthy puppies get infected). I'm not sure which exact paper references this study - not a vet, never needed to know - but I need to know this stuff on a basic level for my job and have been to a handful of lectures regarding shelter medicine. Here's a site from the very folks who ran some of these studies and a huge list of references are included: Canine: Parvovirus (CPV) - University of Wisconsin Madison Shelter Medicine Program

PS. At this point I'm just sharing general information for any pet owner who might chance upon this and feel defensive about vaccinating their pets. The best course of action is to find a vet you trust and follow their advice.
 

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For over 30 years, I've only shot up my puppies ONCE....around 5-6 weeks.
Are you saying that you don't do the full series of three parvo vaccinations (6-8 weeks, 10-12 weeks, 14-16 weeks), only the first one? I don't want to criticize, but for the purpose of anyone who's reading this thread for info about vaccines - the reason it's necessary to do the shots again is that at two months, when a pup gets the first shot, many pups still have maternal antibodies against parvo in their systems, which can prevent the vaccine from properly triggering the protective immune system reaction. So the first jab is not effective in all young pups even if the dose is good and it's administered correctly.

Ergo, it's possible for a vaccinated pup to contract parvo when their maternal protection wears off, if they don't get that follow-up jab. (Or, if they're really unlucky, they can contract parvo if there's a window between when the maternal antibodies have quit and when the next jab takes effect - which is why it's recommended that pet owners in high-risk environments take exposure precautions until the series is complete.)

While this may be picking nits, I would also like to specify that a defective batch of vaccines would not CAUSE parvo. What they would do is fail to guard against parvo. For the dog to contract parvo, s/he would need to come in contact with the live virus from some other source.
 
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