Again, thanks for the replies! Also, thanks for being courteous... I know this is the internet but um some people can be rather callous, not here mind you, but other groups and what not. I.E. if you don't teach your dogs tricks beyond basic obedience training, or if you don't use specific products like certain brands, or if you don't teach a certain way I dunno I think every dog and every owner is different.
Kathy, you might be right about the "puppy pass." I'll be petting Balou and Koda with come up an start softly mouthing his legs or neck. Balou might turn around and start playing with him or he just lets him mouth him. The thing about Saints is that they normally don't really do the order pack type mentality. Sure, there's the saintly teens where they lose their minds for a bit but other than that they don't really do dominant/submissive behavior like one might think.
WesselGordon, I think you hit on another point... It could be puppy BS and Balou is out of his puppy hood now. It was just scary to hear and see Koda like that. Koda has tried to herd me but not Balou. Anytime Koda mouths Balou, Balou is laying down or sitting up not walking. Koda doesn't nip at his heels either. Maybe he just is being a big brat? It's odd but Koda doesn't ask/show affection much. Even though I made sure to pet him everywhere and pick him up constantly as an "infant," not in an annoying way. I show him plenty of affection and in the past month he has finally started coming to us for affection.
"Sometimes you get a dog that really ups your dog game. Koda may be one of them. I hope this turns out to be a fun training puzzle rather than a frustrating one."
Sigh... So far Koda has been the hardest dog I have ever trained. And I had rescues that were not house trained or obedient compliant, no aggression though. This little, I love him I swear I love him... But classes are going to be a must with him. I really am hoping that some fresh perspective will help. He had a really bad puppy biting phase and knew how to sit before he knew his name, I don't know how that happened but it did. He was pretty easy to get to stop biting and to sit but the rest? It's just weird. Like he looks at you as if he almost has it and then it's gone... He still has accidents in the house despite the going out every hour, treating when he does go outside, and kenneling off and on. Sometimes he will get close to the back door when he needs to go and I treat him, it's like it's almost there just not yet. But he'll sit in a freaking second!
Sorry for complaining... I do love him he's just a bit frustrating.