[Pepper]

Okay, most people have seen labs and dogs in the U.S..well I love the show "It's me or the dog" but a lot of the dogs look very different than dogs I see in the U.S., pure bred dogs that is.

Are they supposed to look different? Me and my mom noticed their labs were a little stockier and had rounder faces with more jowls..but they were pure bred labs.

 

[Mr Pooch]

Pep i see quite a few differences in breeds from being on DF.

Some examples are the Labs (ours do seem stockier that yours)

Irish wolfhounds,the ones ive seen here are enormous!!
Dobermans obviously look different due to laws on docking and cropping(i prefer the cropped dobe)

Rotties here are bigger (to me anyway)

I just posted about my breed the SBT,the classic is nothing like you see round here.

Newfies here are also a little differing.

There are so many breeds that change in looks when you look at the UK and the US.

(i forgot,Akitas here are too big for standard,they are huge!!)

 

[Pepper]

Do you know any reasons for that?

 

[Mr Pooch]

Not a clue Pep,thing is the show dogs may and probably do look much more similar in both countries than the dogs i see everyday.

I think standards do slightly differ from country to country (i'll let one of the experts confirm that) for instance the KC here has just changed a whole heap of breed standards (due to the documentary pedigree dogs exposed)

My friend went to crufts i'll try and get some pics for ya so you can compare.

 

[Dieselsmama]

Pep, not 100% on other breeds but there is a very significant difference in English and American labs, here's a photo example

Ella, english ( a ball in her mouth, but u get the idea)

Charlie, american ( again with the ball, hmmmn maybe it's just a lab trait lol)

 

[Xeph]

You wanna see some crazy differences Pepper? Look at the difference between US Great Danes and Russian ones! ZOMG!

As for UK vs US GSDs...the UK GSDs (they still call them Alsatians there...ick) are VERY low stationed with the same general amount of rear. If you don't see them, you see a west german line dog that was just born in England.

 

[Mr Pooch]

(they still call them Alsatians there...ick)

Haha,we do

 

[Pai]

I like different styles of the same breed, variety is nice. =)

U.S. vs English Cockers came about because of the same kind of process.

 

[animalcraker]

Hrm... the Irish Wolfhounds looked the same to me when I was at Crufts. I'll have to dig through my pics to see if I have any good examples of different breeds. I'd say the Doberman and the Britany are the two with the most dramatic difference between the UK and the US. In Afghans there is a decernable difference if ou know what you're looking at. To the average person they may be exactly the same, but the breed enthusiast the UK dogs are more coarse, lacking muscle, and not as cleaned up as dogs from the rest of the world.

I belive the bigest reason for the type differences is that up untill recently it wasn't easy to import a dog into the UK. I also got the impression from alot of breeders that I talked to at Crufts that they feel the english dogs are supperior and any outside mixing should be minimal. If you're limiting your dogs to the ones born in your country, it's enevitable that they will develop thier own type and start to look different from outside dogs.

 

[rosemaryninja]

Aren't the breed standards different? I could be wrong.

 

[Laurelin]

Actually, English versus American labs is typically used to differentiate bench labs from field labs. It has nothing to do with what country the dog is born in. There is a BIG difference between the two and quite frankly I'd label most labs in the US as pet bred.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/english-american.html

Here's some bench labs: http://www.rozzaylabrador.com/

And field labs: http://www.twinpine.net/

(I just picked random breeders from the lab club)

 

[Marsh Muppet]

Some of the Labs you'd see competing in US field trials look like they may have a bit of Whippet lurking in the bloodline.

I know the Golden Retriever standards are different for US, UK, and Canadian dogs. I think the Ozzies hold to the KC standard. American, field-bred Goldens are different still. My American field-bred GR is too red to make it in a British bench show, and his coat is not nearly full enough to make it in a US show. His topcoat is coarser than other Goldens I see, and his coat lays close enough to his body to read his musculature through it. The unifying trait among all the different types seems to be their total lack of emotional reserve.

 

[animalcraker]

Aren't the breed standards different? I could be wrong.

The wording is different, but generaly they are all the same. Most UK dogs will fit in the other countries standards and most outside dogs will fit in UK standards.

However there is a huge difference in the presentation of the different breeds. US dogs are very cleaned up and highly groomed, there's not a single stray hair on them, even the short haired dogs are perfected. US handlers also try to make a very flashy presentation with thier dogs, often that means running them around the ring much faster than they should be. Even grooming of the US handler is perfected so you only notice them and thier dog.

 

[UrbanBeagles]

There are breed dissimilarities in every country becuase what usually happens is that the foundation dogs in the US, UK, Australia, etc. differed from both the foundation dogs and the ones used as outcrosses in each country. Unless the dogs from the US & UK are interbred on a regular basis, they tend to branch off and you will have a different look. I don't see either being better or worse, just different as certain bloodlines in any country will throw pups that are prepotent for a distinctive look.

Take Beagles in the US. We have two very different types just in this country, for field and show. Our field dogs differ greatly from the field Beagles that used to be bred in the UK. Both our field & show types are night and day from show lines in either country. If you took one from each type in both countries, it could almost appear you had four similar, but different breeds. I don't think there is anything bad about that. Variety makes everything better, even bloodlines.

Now, our US show Beagles are not as flashy or correctly built in the sense they resemble the miniature foxhound - the UK show Beagles have that perfected. But US show Beags tend to have a high degree of field ability, which I have not seen in UK lines at all. We also have Finnish lines in this country, which also have their own distinct, leggier look. It's all good, just a matter of preferences. I personally prefer most US dogs though, because of the high degree of breeding for dual purpose quality in our stock. It's illegal to hunt with Beagles in the UK so you know their hounds have no chance to prove themselves as rabbit dogs. I wouldn't touch UK dogs with a 10ft pole, then.

 

[animalcraker]

It's illegal to hunt with Beagles in the UK so you know their hounds have no chance to prove themselves as rabbit dogs.

Pft... I beg to differ. It may not be a rabbit or a fox, but Top Gear has proven that hunting small japanese cars can be just as fun I sooo want to join in this hunt.

Top Gear Hunt

 

[trumpetjock]

You wanna see some crazy differences Pepper? Look at the difference between US Great Danes and Russian ones! ZOMG!

Just looked this up, and yeah... they are quite different!

Russian:

American:

 

[Dieselsmama]

Actually, English versus American labs is typically used to differentiate bench labs from field labs. It has nothing to do with what country the dog is born in. There is a BIG difference between the two and quite frankly I'd label most labs in the US as pet bred.

http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/english-american.html

Here's some bench labs: http://www.rozzaylabrador.com/

Laurelin, very funny you posted that link for bench labs, Huntclub Clayview Rozzay Grady is Ella's daddy

 

[Mr Pooch]

Hrm... the Irish Wolfhounds looked the same to me when I was at Crufts.

In my second post thats what i said Animal cracker,i was referring more to pet dogs.
I thought the show pooches might look alot more similar.

Just looked this up, and yeah... they are quite different!

Russian:

OK i have a new favourite breed!
I like Danes but the Russian Dane well if i was looking for a new dog right now i'd import one of those now! (a pup from the dog pictured would be ideal,that dog is amazing!!)

 

[Xeph]

See, and I don't like that dog at all. I like his head, but hate his crop...don't like the lack of rear at all x.x

 

[Mr Pooch]

Xeph the head is what i prefer compared to the American type Dane,i like the structure of the dog (i cant get all technical about it like you.haha) basically its like the normal Danes but chunkier,more built,it is awesome!