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Hi there,

Question One:

I have been told by people, and read online, that dogs will not pee/poop in their crate b/c it's their "den". I have a 10 week old pup who is doing very well with her crate training (only cries around 7am when she hears people getting up). However, she is still peeing in her crate. I do realise she probably can't hold her bladder, but is this "normal"?

She usually pees in it twice a day, once between the time I leave for work and then come home for lunch (3-4 hours) and then once during the night (usually between the time I put her to sleep and when I get up at 5am to let her out to pee outside).

Is there anything I can do to help her not mess in her crate? I really can't let her out more often during the day as I am at work (minus the one 1 hour Im home for lunch). I'm going to try getting up twice in the night to let her pee, so I'm hoping that solves the night time messes :)

Question Two:
Twice now my puppy has been very sneaky about going in the basement and going number two. Is this b/c she knows if we don't happen to see her go down there, and shes messes, she won't get in trouble? That's the only theory I can come up with! lol The basement door MUST stay open b/c thats where the cat litter is.

I really don't know why shes done this twice, as EVERY other time she's needed to go do her business, she will give a few cries to let us know. It's just been these two random times!

Thanks for the help guys, much appreciated :)
 

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First, stop waiting for your 10 week old dog to "tell" you that it has to go out. That's like expecting a 1 year old child to let you know that they are about to let loose in their diaper so you can take them to the potty instead. The notice for either is pretty instantaneous and immediate need.

Q1 - Dogs do not have muscle control to hold it until about 6 months of age, generally speaking. Until then you are just timing the potty outings to accomodate the amount of time to fill the bladder. Rule of thumb...# hours puppy can wait = age in months...10 weeks- 2-1/2 months = 2-3 hours, AT MOST. So your daytime schedule is pushing it and you should be setting an alarm to take the puppy out during the night every 2-3 hours. (picking up the water bowl 2 hours before bedtime will help with the duration of sleep during the night) So, it is true that dogs prefer not to soil their dens. However, your situation involves unrealistinc physical expectations.

Q2 - Your dog chooses to soil in the basement for a number of reasons...away from where it eats and sleeps, a place that you don't monitor so therefore you won't be yelling at it as it eliminates, nice dark calm place to eliminate, not being supervised 100% of the time when out of the crate, gotta go now and just can't wait until you see my signal because the expectations are unrealistic and the puppy isn't old enough to give "the sign"... whatever that may be, GOTTA GO NOW!!!!!

The bottom line here in both cases is that you need to set up a schedule and buy an alarm clock. Set the clock for every two hours and take the dog out. If the dog does not perform, put the dog in the crate and try again in 20 minutes. The dog gains freedom when it is successful outside. And if you cannot supervise the dog every minute then the dog needs to be in the crate. Did you not notice that the dog was missing from your presence when it went to the basement? Think of the puppy as a toddler. Supervise accordingly.
 

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I really don't expect her to let us know, at all, but she seems to be letting us know 90% of the time, so why not listen to her cues?

About the daytime, don't most people work 9-5, so their puppies have to wait all that time to get out? I actually thought my pup had it good getting out after 3-4 hours when Im home for lunch.

I'm definitley going to be getting up more than once during the night now to let her out, it's just the day time that I was mainly concerned about.
 

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Twice now my puppy has been very sneaky about going in the basement and going number two. Is this b/c she knows if we don't happen to see her go down there, and shes messes, she won't get in trouble? That's the only theory I can come up with! lol The basement door MUST stay open b/c thats where the cat litter is.
Well let's see I'm a puppy and I go down in the basement and I can smell cat feces etc in litter box. Hmmmmmmmm! I'm not very smart so I don't see any reason to think if cat stuff is there why I can't leave my waste here.

I really don't expect her to let us know, at all, but she seems to be letting us know 90% of the time, so why not listen to her cues?
There is nothing wrong with listening to her cues if you don't mind the 10% of accidents in the house. Does it not make sense to setup a regular schedule and then if she does cue you in between consider you and your home lucky because then the other 10% of accidents will not occur. Why would you let a puppy in charge of something as important as housebreaking. One other future problem will be your pup/dog eventually starting a cat eating feces habit. For whatever reason many dogs left alone will partake in a cat litter feast. If your cats are not kept worm free they will pass whatever they have to your pup.
 
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