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Greetings,

I have a 4 1/2 month American Bulldog, currently feeding him Acana Wild Prairie. I give him 3 cups/ 3 times a day. His stools are fine but he's too thin as I can see his ribs more than I should. I currently feed his sister than same amount and she looks good; As he was growing up I kept increasing his food intake but he doesn't seem to gain weight...so should I up his food? or try something else?( Yes he is parasite-free)

My sister-in-law bought a littermate and he is way bigger than my dog....could it be because they are feeding him TOTW venison/bison adult formula which has 2.1% of calcium, more calories and fat%? Maybe the higher Calcium makes him big boned?

Thanks for the feedback!
 

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Personally, if you feel that he is a little too thin I would first retest for any intestinal issues and (provided they come back clear) then i would up his food intake by 1/4 of a cup to start. Some stomach upset may occur but should clear up within a couple days. Please also keep in mind every dog is different (just like with people you can have siblings of different shapes and sizes) provided they are being well cared for overall, all dogs will grow to their genetically predisposed size reguardless of what is being fed.

Edit to add: Not sure what the calorie count is for Acana but if uping his food intake does not work may be finding a food with a higher calorie count per cup will. Good luck. Remember slow and steady growth is what you want. And 30ish pounds at 4-5 months sounds good to me as long as they are active and healthy.
 

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I would take him to the vet to eliminate the possibility of parasites. Also, remember that puppies use most of their food to grow with, so they can tend to be lanky and that's ok.
 

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Sorry guys I forgot to add that he is parasite-free. I had tapeworms about 1 1/2 months ago but that was taken care of with droncid, but his last two tests were negative.

So I know it is not a parasite issue, I think I should up his food....It's just that with foods like Acana you are supposed to feed less and overfeeding can cause diarrhea but that is usually the case for adult dogs. For puppies the "Feed less" story does not apply so I think I will increase his food intake.

Anybody feeding Acana to puppies less than a year old? If so how many cups were you giving?

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Wait...are you feeding him 9 cups a day? Or do you mean 1 cup, thrice per day, totaling 3 cups per day?
 

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Yes I meant 1 cup thrice per day. Anyway there are NEW Acana formulas coming out this month... I really hope they continue to work for my dogs. It sucks that they are changing something they shouldn't but since Champion cashed out last year; I might have to buy new dog food if these new Acana formulas don't work out.

Maybe I will try Fromm because honestly Earthborn's ingredients look horrible.
 

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Maybe I will try Fromm because honestly Earthborn's ingredients look horrible.
LOL! Please explain.

Here are the ingredients of Earthborn Primitive Natural, for reference.

Ingredients: Turkey meal, chicken meal, whitefish meal, potatoes, chicken fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols, a source of vitamin E), dried egg product, tomato pomace, apples, blueberries, carrots, peas, spinach, garlic, Yucca schidigera extract, taurine, cottage cheese, l-lysine, dl-methionine, beta-carotene, calcium carbonate, zinc oxide, magnesium proteinate, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, niacin, d-calcium pantothenic acid, vitamin A supplement, l-carnitine, vitamin B12 supplement, l-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), ferrous sulfate, biotin, riboflavin (vitamin B2), thiamine hydrochloride (vitamin B1), calcium iodate, pyridoxine hydrochloride (vitamin B6), vitamin D3 supplement, folic acid, manganese proteinate, iron proteinate, zinc proteinate, copper proteinate, dried Lactobacillus plantarum fermentation product, dried Enterococcus faecium fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus casei fermentation product, dried Lactobacillus acidophilus fermentation product
 

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Try something like Dr. Tim's. His food won the Iditarod and had two other teams place in the top ten. His food has also won the North American Open for the last 5 or 6 years as well. He knows more about feeding a hard working or hard keeper than anyone. Petflow carries the food now. It is the highest rated food by users on Pet Food Chat and 5 Stars from everywhere else.

I have 9 dogs on it that work all day. Couldn't be happier.
Question??? How does a food win a race??? Although, I get what
You are saying and am sure the food works well and is of decent quality, I am sure it wasn't just the food that lead to the team(s) winning the races. I'm pretty sure a lot of training and conditioning went into it as well..
 

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Ok.... No need to get defensive it was just a question based on the observation that you seemed to be crediting the wins solely to the use of this food. And to me it was as if you were saying FEED this food and your dog will be able to win the Iditarod.. I'm pretty sure my couch potato dogs, as well as, my highly active German Pinscher (who i plan on doing field work with) would not beable to win a race like that simply because I changed their food to Dr. Tim's, there would have to be alot of conditioning and training involved as well.
 

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Decent? LOLOLO Don't think reading the label tells you what is in PetFood, especially the more expensive ones. If you have fantasies about human grade meats being used, forget it. I wouldn't use any brand unless the people that formulate the product have deep experience in the competitive arena. Most companies don't even employ a clinical nutritionist, especially the upper end companies most people on forums think are the best. Those foods are formulated in the marketing department. I have been a trainer for 35 years, trust me I have tried pretty much everything and the worst foods are the newer, more expensive foods. Trouble is so many people switch so often they really can't see how bad they are.

With competitive and working dogs diet is 50% of the equation.

http://www.egilellis.com/index.php/Main/Feeding
Good thing being a dog trainer makes you an expert at canine NUTRITION. Your posts so far make it very clear that you are far from it.
 

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I have been a trainer for 35 years, trust me I have tried pretty much everything and the worst foods are the newer, more expensive foods.
right, because the older more expensive foods are definitely better... science diet and royal canin for all!!!
 

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Good thing being a dog trainer makes you an expert at canine NUTRITION. Your posts so far make it very clear that you are far from it.
Well, to his defense, there are trainers and there are trainers. If you are a level 1 obedience trainer there probably isn't much there that is directly related to nutrition. If you have trained high performance canine athletes for 35 years you have probably picked up the odd piece of knowledge related to feeding and nutrition...
 

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Well, to his defense, there are trainers and there are trainers. If you are a level 1 obedience trainer there probably isn't much there that is directly related to nutrition. If you have trained high performance canine athletes for 35 years you have probably picked up the odd piece of knowledge related to feeding and nutrition...
Sorry if I think it's hypocritical to recommend only ONE food in over and over and put down other people (such as the writer for dogfoodadvisor and other posters on here) as not having the necessary credentials to choose a food for their dog, while claiming that what you call "odd pieces of knowledge" gained from training DOES. But anyway, they seem to have been banned already so it's not really important.
 

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Well, to his defense, there are trainers and there are trainers. If you are a level 1 obedience trainer there probably isn't much there that is directly related to nutrition. If you have trained high performance canine athletes for 35 years you have probably picked up the odd piece of knowledge related to feeding and nutrition...
While this may be true, to down play the knowledge/experience of other members and what seems to be EVERY food resource mentioned, outside of his own personal preferences, is inappropriate.
 

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Sorry if I think it's hypocritical to recommend only ONE food in over and over and put down other people (such as the writer for dogfoodadvisor and other posters on here) as not having the necessary credentials to choose a food for their dog, while claiming that what you call "odd pieces of knowledge" gained from training DOES. But anyway, they seem to have been banned already so it's not really important.
LOl, did he get banned already, guess he did, hah :) I don't disagree with you, just don't think he meant like obedience trainer when he said it.
 

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I don't disagree with you, just don't think he meant like obedience trainer when he said it.
Oh I didn't either and I still disagreed that any information he gleaned from that necessarily meant we should disregard his obvious bias towards Dr. Tim's. Btw, I'm not angry or anything, just explaining my reasoning. :)
 

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Oh I didn't either and I still disagreed that any information he gleaned from that necessarily meant we should disregard his obvious bias towards Dr. Tim's. Btw, I'm not angry or anything, just explaining my reasoning. :)
He do have a lot of knowledge but can never seem to keep his blood pressure under control. He doesn't mingle well with pet owners to put it that way. Dr. Tim's got very good formulas though (is the cheque in the mail Tim?) but there are obviously lots of other good alternatives too, including formulas it's popular to hate on these days.
 
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