Fact or fiction? Discuss...
That sounds like a good way to describe it.I think "will to please" is roughly the same thing as being highly motivated by attention and affection from the handler.
Good question! Considering this, I'd like to add an addenda to the original question. When considering the fact or fiction of the 'will to please' in dogs include a reference to how you define a good working relationship (a marriage if you will).
Maybe to avoid punishment, to avoid making the "wrong choice," etc. Or maybe they just construe eye contact as a reward/affection? Ya never know...That sounds like a good way to describe it.
But what about when they don't get praise. Do they do it in the hopes of attention, praise, affection, ect?
Some dogs are incredibly tuned to subtle changes in their humans' body language. Many of the "willing to please" dogs are this way. It is possible that some dogs find these subtle changes rewarding enough.
Poca's view: Mommy and daddy work. I benefit.Good question! Considering this, I'd like to add an addenda to the original question. When considering the fact or fiction of the 'will to please' in dogs include a reference to how you define a good working relationship (a marriage if you will).
An anecdote to help consider the possibility, and one you may even recall.I've never seen the dog offer anything without expecting something in return.
I just wanted to say I LOVED that part of your post, Toby.For me, a good relationship is getting to the point where the things you do for yourself doesn't negatively affect the other and that the things you do for the other doesn't negatively affect you.
Basically, at least imo.
I agree with this.I think humans have some will to please (as in a marriage), but most of the time, when we do things for others there is some element of self-gratification. Even giving anonymously to a charity makes us feel good about ourselves. It's self-reinforcing. Not usually purely to please someone else.
I think, for the most part, dogs do what they do to please themselves. To get the reward.
LOL that's awesomeOne day the gorilla's handler was teaching the gorilla some other behavior, and bananas were used as the primary reinforcer. When she was done she opened the door to the secondary enclosure for him to enter. What did the gorilla do? He offered her the banana he just earned.
I've thought about that much in the same situation. Is Wally sitting at the door because that's how he gets out or is he sitting to "tell" me to OPEN THE GOSH FRICKEN DARN HECK DOOR ALREADY I NEED TO PEE NOW!I've asked this before... When my dog sits and waits patiently by the door for a walk, does she do it because of the simple pattern leading to reinforcement? Or does she do it to 'please' me? Or does she do it because doing so is reinforcing? Or all 3 reasons?
Think of that in how you define a good relationship and the 'will to please'.