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My Rottweiler pup keeps getting UTI's. The vet has explained it to me as it can be corrected 3 different ways. Spaying, a heat cycle(not interested), or surgery (last resort).

We were there today for yet another checkup (this one has been an expensive pup!) and scheduled the spaying for 3 weeks from now (she will be 5.5 months)

I want her to be as large as genetically possible. Will spaying this early stunt her growth?
 

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I can't say that for sure but I have had pups that were spayed that early that grew up HUGE. I have a male now that was fixed at 4 1/2 months (hes a rescue) that is taller then my intact 18 month old male. It depends on genetics. What does your breeder say about all the UTI's? What is the vet saying the cause of the UTI's is? Why would spaying early fix that? I am not saying it won't, I am just curious as to WHY it would. Do they think she might have an ectopic ureter, that they would fix when they are doing her spay? IF that is the case make sure you are having a specialist do the surgery. Good luck to you. Have you posted pictures of your little beauty??? I love Rottie puppies. There is nothing cuter then a Rottie puppy. ;) :)
 

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I don't believe it will stunt your dogs growth. Actually doing before the growth plates close cause them to stay open which means a dog may grow taller. This can be bad for joints and such. I do find it odd that they'd recommend a spay for this type of problem as spayed females are more likely to have UTI including continual ones. Seems silly if it increases the risk to do such a thing or do they think since she has the problem it will cancel that out. I can't understand the logic. Did you vet give you any insight on these UTIs at all?
 

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I'd like to preface this post by saying that I know very little about rotties, other then they're gorgeous.

With that being said, I've always heard that early s/n causes bitches to grow taller and have a coat change.

I've also heard that early spaying causes incontinance, but that's probably an urban legend and that would not stop me personally from spaying early if that's what I wanted to do.

I don't think that spaying early will cause that much of a change in your bitch. I doubt you would even be able to tell.
 

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The vet explained it to me as the dogs vulva is "tucked" up a bit and it traps bacteria. He said that the hormone changes from going thought a heat/spaying should fix it on its own.
 

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No way on earth would I spay a Rottie before a year of age, and probably not until she has had one heat cycle.

Read the 2nd article that rutylr posted a link to. Under the subheading "Osteosarcoma," you will find that Rotties have a fairly high risk of developing osteosarcoma. Studies have linked spay/neuter earlier than 1 year of age to a dramatic increase in that risk--to the point where Rottweiler females spayed before a year of age run a 25% risk of developing osteosarcoma.
 

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The vet explained it to me as the dogs vulva is "tucked" up a bit and it traps bacteria. He said that the hormone changes from going thought a heat/spaying should fix it on its own.
I've never heard that spaying would fix that, only allowing her to go into heat. Hmmm....I suppose your vet knows more about it than I do.

If you have no intention of allowing her to go into heat, you might as well do the spay now. It doesn't stunt their growth.
 

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Early spay could cause Spay incontinence, as well as increase her chance of Bone cancer and low thyroid. Also, if a bitches vulva is inverted, it's BEST to allow her to go through a heat to correct it, NOT do a spay.

also early s/n keeps the bone plates from fusing, causing a dog that is leggy and gangly looking a preventing the kind of bone mass that gives the rottie it's distinctive look.
 

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Sadie was diagnosed with spay incontinence. I fully believe it's linked to early spay, she was done just before 4 mo.

Let her go through the heat cycle if you think you can handle it, but do lots of research first.
 

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My Rottweiler pup keeps getting UTI's. The vet has explained it to me as it can be corrected 3 different ways. Spaying, a heat cycle(not interested), or surgery (last resort).

We were there today for yet another checkup (this one has been an expensive pup!) and scheduled the spaying for 3 weeks from now (she will be 5.5 months)

I want her to be as large as genetically possible. Will spaying this early stunt her growth?

I have some experience with "puppy vaginitis", because my foundation bitch will sometimes throw an innie vulva, which is simply a vulva that is recessed by skin folds. There is accumulation of bacteria in these skin folds, so even with regular cleaning of the area, the pup might urinate more frequently and be prone to UTIs. The ONLY way to treat an innie vulva is to allow the bitch to have one heat cycle, at which time, the vulva pops out of the skin folds. Even if spayed after the first cycle, the vulva will be normal for the rest of the bitch's life, and she will no longer be prone to UTIs from the condition.

Now. The first thing I would do would be to check this pup for an innie vulva. Some are mroe recessed than others, but if it's there to any extent, it will cause a problem. They look like this: http://www.woodhavenlabs.com/ins-outs.html

Another cause for UTIs is diet. Meat acidifies the urine, while grains & veggies alkalize it. So any diet that is too grain heavy or contains veggies may contribute to alkalizing the urine. Dry food in and of itself sometimes aggrivates this condition. If this were my pup I'd try a diet change to a food with relatively few ingredients with no herbal supplements, sugars, dyes, etc. Consider adding maybe 10% fresh meat to the diet as well, to acidify urine & add moisture.
Give the pup human grade cranberry tablets - I get mine from Path Mark for $8, and will treat all cases of UTIs with this. Antibiotics don't work long term, but giving cranberry on a regular basis has been the only thing that helped my pups come out of it. If all else fails, I would even suggest switching to bottled water, even if only temporarily.

If the pup has an innie vulva, this will, in 100% of the cases, correct itself once she is allowed to have a heat cycle. This should be an easily treated problem with either cranberry tabs or antibiotics. BTW, you can even get the amoxi used to treat UTI's OTC under the name of Fish Mox www.kvvet.com

BTW, spaying early will not stunt growth. In fact, it will have the opposite effect. It causes the growth plates to close later than they normally would, giving the dog a long, leggy, thin boned appearance. Early s/n is not the best route for a large breed dog, who are already predisposed to joint conditions. It can exasberate any pre existing condition or cause undue wear on the joints - it's not healthy for a heavy dog that should have had large, heavy bone structure to carry weight on thin, excessively long legs. Also, in Rotties, there has been a study coming to the conclusion that pups spayed/neutered before maturity were more likely to develop bone cancer. This is something you should be aware of since it is already a problem in your breed.
http://etdr.doberinfo.com/health/spayinfo.html
 

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The vet explained it to me as the dogs vulva is "tucked" up a bit and it traps bacteria. He said that the hormone changes from going thought a heat/spaying should fix it on its own.
Again spaying isn't going to fix. It will still be tucked up the same. The heat cycle will possibly because the vulva will change from the hormones. Actually most bitches you have never had a heat cycle will have a smaller vulva and it won't change like those that have had a cycle. In most adult females I can tell who was spayed and who isn't just by their looks.
 

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I agree completely that letting her go through one heat cycle would be best. Just make sure you are watching her nonstop during that time. I have never heard that spaying would fix such a thing.
 

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I have been doing some reading and I am going to change her food as what she is eating has a lot of grains.

It was suggested that supplements such as vitamin C and cranberry tablets be used to acidify her urine and keep the UTI at bay. Safe for dogs???

I agree completely that letting her go through one heat cycle would be best. Just make sure you are watching her nonstop during that time. I have never heard that spaying would fix such a thing.
how can I get her to go that long??? Antibiotics are not killing the UTI, and the $100+ vet visit every time is killing my wallet.

I have been reading up on the how behind it. The hormone change changes the pH of the urine, making it too acidic for the bacteria to thrive.
 

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Acidifying the urine will help IMMENSELY, it allows the dogs immune system to do what the antibiotics can't do, especially if the bacteria has become resistant. I would also throw in some probiotics to restore the GOOD bacteria that live naturally in the dogs body, this will also improve the immune system and her digestion as these bacteria (which have been destroyed by the antibiotics) work with the body to keep it healthy.
 
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