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Quick story: My girlfriend wants a dog. Her best friend's family breed 7 baby Bully and she fell in love with them. They cost $5,000 and she wants to buy one of the puppies in a few days while she's on vacation. I'm the one doing research to see if this is really the dog for her and her lifestyle... This is the first time the breeder has mated dogs and the first litter of the female.

Breed of dogs: The father is a Tri-coat Micro Bully, and the mother is a Pitbull mixed with something else my gf does not know right now.

My concerns: I think my girlfriend would love a Micro Bully, but do not think she'll be happy if the dog ends up looking like a traditional Pitbull. The breeder has no history and I have nothing to look at to see what the mother or father have produced in the past since it is their first time producing a litter. I don't even know if the breeder knows what he's doing raising dogs, besides he has a large yard for them to roam and loves animals.

Overall: I think the mother and father look good and healthy from the pictures I've seen. I'm just nervous buying a dog from first time breeders. If I decide to pull the trigger I will fly to Hawaii to check out the dogs for myself. My ideal dog is a Bulldog, without all the health problems, that is build like a body builder.

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1) Would you guys buy one of these dogs?
2) Can you sell a dog as tri coat if its not tri-coat? The father is tri-coat and mother is not. The dog they want to sell my gf is not tri-coat. Paying $5k for a Bully that is not Tri-coat but is sold as a tri-coat bully simply because the father is tri-coat seems like a scam to me.
 

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It strikes me as paying $5,000 for a mutt, but that seems to be the in thing these days, and you probably can't stop the gf from doing it. I have trouble believing anything built like the sire can be sound for long or doesn't have breathing problems. Her best friend's family won't even give her a discount?
 

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I wouldn't, mainly because Micro Bullies have a myriad of health issues, including breathing issues. Most puppies are cute. Dealing with an adult dog with serious health issues requiring expensive surgeries just to lead a half-way normal life, not so much.

If you want a Bulldog with fewer health issues, I would be looking at the American Bulldog, or even the Olde English Bulldog or Alapaha Blue Blooded Bulldog (I know, the name's a mouthful....). Not saying that they don't also have issues, but they probably aren't as bad as Micro, Exotic, Extreme, etc. Bullies.
 

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That's a lot of money for any puppy, more than I'd expect to pay for even a highly promising show, sport, or working prospect from an established purebred breeder who has excellent lines, breeding stock with show and/or working titles, and extensive health testing, including genetic screening and x-rays when necessary. So I have a few questions for you to consider.

What health testing do the parents have? I'm not talking "the vet says they're healthy", I mean have they been screened for genetic indicators of diseases/conditions that are common in bully breeds, have their hips and/or elbows been x-rayed to evaluate whether they'll potentially be producing puppies with dysplasia, have their knees been evaluated for luxating patella, have their eyes and heart been screened? And importantly - do the results of all these tests indicate that the parents are excellent specimens with a very low risk of passing on any genetic illnesses or harmful traits to their puppies? Are both parents (especially mom) at least two years old? Have either of them been awarded certifications or titles in any kind of sport or work to support the idea that they have excellent physical soundness or temperaments that would go towards producing puppies who also have sound bodies and wonderful, stable temperaments?

What are the breeders doing with the puppies each and every day? Have they been introduced to various sights, sounds, and experiences in positive ways? Have they been interacting with humans from day one, living in a family home, learning that things like the dishwasher, vacuum, TV, people working out, etc. are normal and not scary? Are they being offered different surfaces to walk on, toys of different shapes and textures that make different sounds? Have they been taking trips in cars, meeting a variety of kids and adults? Have they been working on separating the puppies slowly and carefully so they're less distressed when they leave their litter behind entirely for a new home? Even getting a head start on potty training and training in general? All of this goes towards helping puppies grow into confident, happy dogs, gives you a big head start on helping the puppy settle into your home, and helps prevent some of the most common behavior issues dogs face.

For $5000, I'd expect the breeder to be able to explain in detail all the health testing their breeding dogs have, all the ways they can show that the parents have exceptional physical/working abilities and/or wonderful temperaments that complement each other, and also have a comprehensive and intensive puppy raising plan to give them the best possible start in life. That's the value you're getting from a reputable, responsible, and ethical breeder, not the coat color (it's very rare for responsible, ethical breeders to charge more for certain coat colors) or even the breed itself. If they can't give you most or any of this, it's highway robbery.
 

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I second LeoRose's suggestion of an Olde English Bulldog. Renaissance Bulldogs are another good option. American Bulldogs (including ABBBs) are good options as well, but I normally don't recommend them unless someone is prepared to properly socialize and manage a protective dog, and this is coming from someone who has owned one.
 

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Thanks for the all replies. I'll talk to my gf about the issues you guys have raised. I'm hard leaning on a pass for these dogs.
 

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I would pass.
I paid $3000 for a puppy sired by a health tested dog that won the world championships in IPO (costs thousands of dollars to prove a dog to that level) and out of a health tested titled bitch (also takes thousands to get that title) (second time for this same cross and repeated due to the consistency in working ability of the first litter).

This person is asking $5000 for (essentially) a Pit Mix that will more than likely be just that.. a Pit Mix and not a micro anything. No health tests on the parents and no titles in anything. You can get a Pit Mix here in the US for next to nothing.....

Not going to tell you what to do, just putting that out there.
 

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You couldn't pay me 5k to own a "micro bully" because I'd likely have to spend double that in vet bills throughout it's life.
 

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OMG her best friends family is breeding these dogs and you are going to pay full price??
ask for a friends/family discount. and then consider if you need to get better friends o_0
 

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$5,000 is steep even for a puppy from health tested, championship show or working line dogs. Hard pass on a micro mutt.
 

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$5k for a mutt? nope.

Olde English which will very likely die in 6 years or sooner? Nope

I paid $3k for a dog, but wouldn’t pay $500 let alone $5,000 for a mutt
 

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Should you buy a micro bully? Probably not. Should you buy THIS "micro bully"? ABSOLUTELY not.
 

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Update: I had my gf ask the breeder some of the questions mentioned by 'DaySleepers' and the breeder couldn't answer one of the questions. He didn't even know what the mother (Pitbull + ?) was mixed with. It blows my mind he's asking $5,000 for each puppy when he does not even know the medical history of their parents and the mother is a mutt.

My gf will be passing on purchasing a dog from this breeder. Thanks for your guys help.
 

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Oof. I'm glad we could help you dodge that bullet, at least! A lot of people see unscrupulous breeders charging sky-high prices for puppies of "rare" colors or mixes and see dollar signs, not realizing that these kinds of people rely heavily on dishonest marketing ("mixed breeds never get sick!" "Their coat is 100% hypoallergenic and you never have to brush it!") and cutting corners that shouldn't be cut (no health screening, breeding too young and too often, keeping way too many dogs to be able to give all of them a good quality of life, or even ignoring serious behavioral problems that may be genetic) to keep breeding cheap and profit high. Especially right now, where there's been a huge spike in demand for all kinds of pets as people are spending so much time at home.

The truth is, most reputable, quality breeders aren't making much or any profit on their breeding - they do it for the love of the breed and/or to produce a working/sporting dog that's the best it can be at its job (herding, agility, blood tracking, hunting, police work, IGP, service dogs, etc.). That's why so many of these breeders are retired or have a full-time job. They might only breed one or two litters a year to ensure they have the time and resources to devote to caring for the dam and pups. You often have to be on a waiting list with these breeders (unless you get very lucky), especially if you want a specific gender or color/coat type. But ironically you often wind up paying less than you would for these commercially produced puppies with slick marketing (sometimes thousands less), and you get so much more genuine care, expertise, and support going into selecting and screening the breeding stock, raising the puppies, and even providing advice and suggestions once the puppy's home with you, should you need it!
 

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If your gf really wants a small bulldog, have you looked into French Bulldogs? You'd have to get on a waiting list, no instant gratification, but they're small bulldogs and quite cute. I have several friends with Frenchies, and they're nice dogs. If the appeal is the smushed face, I remember seeing a smooth coated Brussels Griffon at a show and thinking it was one of the cutest things I'd ever seen, but I don't really know anything about that breed.
 

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I’m so glad you’re passing on this. I hope no one is gullible enough to give him $5000 for this mutt. I’m sure they’re cute, but may have lots of health issues and should be going for no more than a couple hundred dollars, if that.
 

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It strikes me as paying $5,000 for a mutt, but that seems to be the in thing these days, and you probably can't stop the gf from doing it. I have trouble believing anything built like the sire can be sound for long or doesn't have breathing problems. Her best friend's family won't even give her a discount?
i can tell you if you buy the correct micro bully's they have no problems. but it's all aboth the blood indeed. i have 3 micro's and 1 nano they doing verry well full tail, walk ,run,jump out and in the cautch, no
breathing problems at all.
 

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This thread is several months old now, and the original poster hasn't been around in a bit, so I'm closing this to further replies. Do feel free to start a new thread or join in any of our current discussions!
 
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