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i just got a new puppy and he has serious issues in his hips. a vet today looked him over and said he was fine. i don't see how he can be. there is a link to a youtube video i posted of him : http://youtu.be/dksJrVYEtSY

here is what i know about him. he comes from a backyard breeder. his mom was sold when he was five weeks old.

i am taking him to a second vet tomorrow, but am desperate for your input in the mean time.
 

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Omg.. they almost look dislocated or something. What breed(s) is he?
 

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It's really hard to tell from that angle, but to me his legs look bowed out more from the knees than the hips and the hocks and feet look really wobbly and deviated. Do you have any video from the side?
 

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Something is definitely wrong. I would have x-rays done. There could be quite a few things that could be going on here, specially considering where he is from. I don't see how that vet could say the pup was alright, he's not.
 

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Oh my god, how could the vet say that is normal? That's really good that you're taking him to a different vet tomorrow. It looks like maybe a birth defect?

Was he like this when you bought/adopted him, or did it just happen out of nowhere?
 

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i will post video from his other side tomorrow. tonight i am going to bed. will be taking him to my vet in the morning. the first vet was associated with the breeder. he is purportedly a french bulldog. i got him today - and this was the condition that he was in. also, you can't tell from the video - but there is something wrong with his front legs too. i will post an update tomorrow after he is seen by my vet.
 

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I would wonder about severe luxating patellas since you said he was a frenchie.

He's bowed in the front as well, that is about all I can see in the vid.
 

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It looks to me like the puppy's knees are dislocated, although I couldn't see its movement well because you took the video from above. I would not automatically rule out hip issues. Try to get the puppy coming at you, going away from you, and from the side.


I don't know where you go this puppy, but none of the breeders I know would NEVER allow a puppy person to leave with a puppy in that kind of condition. Or, if they did, the puppy buyers would know up front what was wrong with the puppy, and the puppy would probably be free. However, its more likely that you would not have been allowed to take the puppy at all.

Some states have puppy lemon laws, because unfortunately dogs are seen as property and not the living beings that they are.

Definitely get a second opinion regarding your vet.

Have you talked to the breeder about it?

Could you have dropped the puppy? Did it fall of the couch? Was it injured in any other way?

Even a small fall to a human can be devastating to a young pup.
 

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i just got a new puppy ... here is what i know about him. he comes from a backyard breeder. his mom was sold when he was five weeks old.
I am not sure where you live, but in many places there are laws against back yard breeding etc. And five weeks is far too early to be separated from its mother. Please keep us posted on what the second vet says.
 

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Yep, off to a new vet and some xrays. That puppy is seriously out of sorts in the hind end..hard to tell if it's knees or hips or both. I can't believe they sold you this puppy! Poor guy.... and I'm SHOCKED that a veterinarian would say this pup is normal or okay,he is most obviously NOT. Is this a vet recommended by the breeder, perchance?
I would personally be taking some skin off the "breeder" for this. One, it is NOT a french bulldog (at least not pure) and two, he has serious physical issues. I'm sad, sad for you and sad for the pup.
I too would be checking out the local laws about how early they are allowed to sell pups and if your area has a lemon law. In many states it is ILLEGAL to remove a pup from it's mother before 8 weeks, unless the pup has been rejected or the mother has died.

Good Luck.
 

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Yep, off to a new vet and some xrays. That puppy is seriously out of sorts in the hind end..hard to tell if it's knees or hips or both. I can't believe they sold you this puppy! Poor guy.... and I'm SHOCKED that a veterinarian would say this pup is normal or okay,he is most obviously NOT. Is this a vet recommended by the breeder, perchance?
I would personally be taking some skin off the "breeder" for this. One, it is NOT a french bulldog (at least not pure) and two, he has serious physical issues. I'm sad, sad for you and sad for the pup.
I too would be checking out the local laws about how early they are allowed to sell pups and if your area has a lemon law. In many states it is ILLEGAL to remove a pup from it's mother before 8 weeks, unless the pup has been rejected or the mother has died.

Good Luck.
Correction it is not illigal to remove a puppy from it's mother before 8 weeks. MANY mother dogs no longer spend close time with their puppies after the puppies are eating solid food (often around 6 weeks) What IS illegal in many places is SELLING the puppy at a younger age than 8 weeks. And they should spend the time between their weening and selling with their littermates.

I am not saying that selling the mother dog when the puppies are barely old enough to be weened is ok, but it's hardly illegal.
 

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But there is no law, to my knowledge of selling the MOM before the pups are 8 weeks old. Which is what they OP said. It is just very unethical, but considering the circumstances it's not surprising that this greeder did that.
 

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But there is no law, to my knowledge of selling the MOM before the pups are 8 weeks old. Which is what they OP said. It is just very unethical, but considering the circumstances it's not surprising that this greeder did that.
I wonder if he might have been a swimmer (also called flat puppy syndrome). Some puppies lay too much on their stomach, flattening the rib cage and legs splay out to the side, and can twist. When they start walking they have problems because their legs have been splayed. Often times these pups will develop normally with some extra physical therapy and time for their muscles to develop and legs to straighten. That's just one idea. BUT I would definitely be seeking that second opinion, (and probably xrays) because it is not normal movement
 

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Re: serious hip issues in new puppy *sorry for the long post*

I apologize in advance for the length of this post. Attached is the report from the visit to the vet this morning. And here is the entire story with some clarification and more detail.

Yesterday I went to pick up the dog from the breeder - who is a few hours away from where I live. I had not seen the pet in person before this point. When I arrived - she had one of her kids bring the pup up from downstairs. He was handed to me. I held him while breeder and I talked. He fell asleep while I was holding him. I left, taking him out to my car and put him in a kennel in the backseat. In hindsight - one of the many, many mistakes I made was to not watch him walk or examine him thoroughly before leaving. Berate me if you feel the need - but believe me - I already know that I had responsibilities as the purchaser - and I failed miserably.

When I got him home - I let him out in the yard to let him do his business. This was the first time I saw him walk - and immediately knew there was something wrong. I called the breeder, told her there was something wrong with him and that I was heading back with the pup so that she could look at him. She became immediately defensive, and asked if I had done something to him - because he was fine when he left her house. She reminded me that she had included paperwork showing that he had been examined by her vet. (fwiw: the paperwork could actually be from any pup that she took in to her vet. there is nothing that identifies that the paperwork as being specific to this pet. just description and sex.) But she agreed to take a look at the pup.

En route to her - she called me and told me that she had spoken with her kids and they confessed that they had stepped on the pup. She had called her vet and he was going to meet us at his office to examine the pup. When I arrived - she agreed that the pup was walking funny on his right side. We went to the vet, and she explained that the kids had stepped on the pup. The vet examined the pup, noted that he was "limping" and that he should be fine. He exhibited no signs of pain. His hips and knees had proper range of motion. He gave the pup an anti-inflammatory and said to limit his exercise. In the vet's defense - when we were there and the pup very briefly walked around (probably less than 5 feet) - the odd walk was not seem as exaggerated as it had when I had first arrived home with the pup. I was calmed down somewhat...and returned home with the pup.

The more I watched the pup last nigh, and the more the pup walked around, the more convinced I became that this was more serious than his foot being stepped on. It seems to be a little less pronounced when he first wakes up - but after a few minutes of walking around - his odd gait again becomes very pronounced. He won't walk for very long before sitting down. When he sits, he can't balance on his left front foot. He really seems to have trouble walking and balancing on smooth floors, but does a little better on grass. I called the breeder back and told her of my concerns. I showed her the video on youtube. She responded by saying that I was letting him walk around "waaaaay too much". She said he need confinement and rest and that I was over-reacting. She reiterated that the vet had examined him twice now (initial visit prior to today and then again today)- and found no serious problems.

I called her vet and voiced my concerns. It was Sunday evening - and he called me back. So I think he deserves credit for that. I asked him to watch the video. He agreed and I sent him the link. He called back and said he never got it. I asked him if would search for my username on youtube and find the video that way. He said he tried, but reported that he could not find it. I asked him if he would email me - and I could respond to his email with the link (my thought was that perhaps I was typo-ing his address when sending to him). He tried - but reported back that he got some sort of error message. For being a Sunday evening - and for having no previous dealings with me - I think I was asking a lot from him and I thought it was generous of him to take this time with me. However, I also thought it was odd that it didn't seem possible to find a way to get the link to the video to him. He ended up saying that I could schedule a full exam for the pup with his office (at my expense). I wanted my vet to look at him.

So this morning I took him in. His report is attached. He said that he could do x-rays, but he said that he could confirm without x-rays that the dog was abnormal. He said that the dog would need to be referred to an Orthopedic Board Specialist for complete diagnosis and evaluation. I forwarded it on to the breeder. I have not heard back yet.


That's where things are. This poor little guy. Could she really not have noticed that he isn't right? I don't see anyway that she could not have known.


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Re: serious hip issues in new puppy *sorry for the long post*

I thought it looked like a birth defect. From the video it seems systemic, and not likely something caused by an injury.

The breeder definitely knew. She sounds like a scumbag, frankly, and her vet is obviously in collusion with her. Which is not unheard of. If it were me I would report him to the licensing board for malpractice when this is all over.

What are you going to do? Are you going to keep him and go to a specialist, and pay for whatever he needs? Or try to return him and get your money back?

Honestly, I know you're not the culprit here by any means, but you did just about everything wrong in getting a dog.
 
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