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Pepper is 5.5 months old, and mostly a pot of gumbo. Some Cattle Dog, looks like a Border Collie, mom looks like a Dingo, Dad was a wham-bam-thank-you-ma'am type.

I adore my pup - she knows a good amount of commands (sit, shake, down, leave it, speak, roll over, turn around, touch it) and is a responsive dog. Loads of positive reinforcement.

My question is -
When I put Pepper on a Gentle Leader, even after 3 weeks of treats through the nose hole, slow introduction, etc., she gets very sad. I can put her Sens-Ation harness on her and she's fine. She wears it most of the time. But, when I just put the nose ring and head collar on her, she starts to mope.

She goes from FUN, HAPPY, PLAYFUL to somber, sad, bummed out.

When we go outside, I use my happiest voice possible, and she'll start the walk. A few feet later, she drags her face against the ground (cement or grass) trying to get the Leader off her. I say "C'Mon Pepper! Let's go for a Walk! Walk! Come on! Let's Go!" and she'll get out of the scraping for about 30-90 seconds.

I've only taken her for two walks on it outside, and probably 4-5 inside. She doesn't fuss when I put it on, but she sure doesn't like it on her face.

When we walk, I go 60-120 seconds, then stop, "sit", and praise her for being a good girl. Would it be better to bring a clicker and click every so often?


Thanks for the help! Always looking forward to the advice here!


-- Casey (& Pepper)

 

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I've only tried a Gentle Leader on Toby, and it made him sad, too. So I don't use it anymore. Any reason you NEED to use it?
 

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The GL is probably the equivalent of tying your hands behind your back. The dog loses all control of his nose, and quite frankly the nose is where it's at for the dog. I think that no matter how much conditioning you do, it just isn't a feasible option for some dogs. The easy walk harness is a good alternative.
 

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Sydney HATED her gentle leader. I stopped using it after one walk because I could see it was making her miserable. Plus she could get it off pretty easily so there wasn't much of a point for us. I use the easy walk with decent results. Time and training has helped a lot more than any type of "no pull" tool.
 

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Pepper still pulls on the Sens-Ation. I wanted to get her at my leg on walks, to stay with me. My goal is for her to be off-leash.
 

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Make sure you have the Sense-Ation harness adjusted properly. There is a video on the website and the company will help you if you call them. If your dog is sad with the gentle leader, don't use it.
 

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That's my brother's pit, and she hates all those halter things. She walks fine for my brother (and pretty well for me), but without one of those on, she'll drag my mother down the street. She puts up with wearing one when Mom takes her out because she loves walking or running, but she really doesn't like the halter, and it's been a couple of years now. Mom doesn't have the time or desire to teach her proper loose-leash walking (it's not her dog and she doesn't walk her that often).

You, however, have the desire, and if your goal is loose-leash walking, just use a flat collar and a leash (or possibly a harness), choose a training method, and stick with it. Two methods that have worked for people here are Silky Leash (Google it; there are good videos) and Penalty Yards.
 

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If your dog hates it, why use it? Honestly, I don't like the haltee-style collars, especially for learning off-leash walking, because they don't teach the dog to stay near you, they just make it uncomfortable for them to pull while they are on leash.

Have you tried umbilical walking? I have seen it work miracles for so many dogs that aren't good on the leash!
 

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The problem with all these special walking items (Gentle Leader, Sporn, prong collar, etc) is that it can be very hard to wean off of them. Your dog will obviously know when she is and is not wearing the Gentle Leader. It's better to just train loose leash walking on a normal collar/harness. It is a bit of a pain to train in the beginning if your desire is to walk more than 10 feet at a time, but soon enough she'll get the idea. I recommend the Silky Leash and Penalty Yards methods. We just said "no pulling" and stopped, took two big steps backward, and made like a tree every time Biscuit started pulling. We reward her for walking at heel as well. Soon enough she got the message. Every so often she needs a reminder, but it's so much nicer this way.

I will also add - don't use a Flexi leash if you want your dog to not pull! They never learn with those things, they sort of encourage pulling if you think about it. And especially don't use one with the head halter, because that is both dangerous and counterproductive.
 

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It's just a matter of getting used to it. If you remove it every time the dog looks "sad", you're teaching the dog that looking sad makes the head collar go away.

If you really want to use it, leave it on the dog all the time. Make sure the dog can't push it over the nose and get it off on its own, and tape up the bit that hangs down so the dog can't play with it and it won't bang around when the dog is playing. Pretty soon the dog won't even notice the head collar anymore.
 

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I second the flexi leash being a bad idea. Honestly, I don't know why you would use one...If you have a trained dog, it just needs a normal leash for walks, and can be let off leash in parks etc to run/play...and if you have an untrained dog, you should be keeping it under your control and close to you....i.e....on a normal leash!! LOL....really, I do not understand the reasoning behind a flexi leash...
 
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