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Hi all!

My first post I am sure will be like many other first posts. I will try to be brief.

  • My wife and I had a dog years ago that we lost
  • Our daughter is in 2nd grade and we are ready for a new fur baby
  • We want a mid-sized family dog (20'ish to 50'ish pounds)
  • Minimal shedding ("hypoallergenic")
  • Moderate energy type dog (preferably a dog that is somewhat chill)
  • Friendly with people and other animals
  • "Easy" to train

Our previous dog was a rescue and we loved him with all out hearts but he ended up being people and animal aggressive. We got him at 4 months old and they didn't know his background.

We want to minimize the chances of that happening again so we have been trying to find a GOOD breeder that does all the right things.

We have looked at a few "designer" breeders (doodle, cockapoos) but have quickly ruled them out as it is obvious they are not doing all the right things. We mainly looked at these breeds for the reduced shedding aspect.

My questions:

1. Outside of the designer breeds we looked at (doodles, cockapoos) what breeds are a good fit for what we are looking for?
2. Given the suggested breed, can you recommend a breeder?


This is such a confusing and frustrating journey. We have come across several breeders that are obviously puppy mills or just really poorly run backyard breeders looking to make a quick buck. It's so sad to pull back that curtain and see what these people are all about.

We are new to this and any help and guidance that can be provided would be so appreciated.

Thank you for reading this!

Stags
 

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Hi all!

My first post I am sure will be like many other first posts. I will try to be brief.

  • My wife and I had a dog years ago that we lost
  • Our daughter is in 2nd grade and we are ready for a new fur baby
  • We want a mid-sized family dog (20'ish to 50'ish pounds)
  • Minimal shedding ("hypoallergenic")
  • Moderate energy type dog (preferably a dog that is somewhat chill)
  • Friendly with people and other animals
  • "Easy" to train

Our previous dog was a rescue and we loved him with all out hearts but he ended up being people and animal aggressive. We got him at 4 months old and they didn't know his background.

We want to minimize the chances of that happening again so we have been trying to find a GOOD breeder that does all the right things.

We have looked at a few "designer" breeders (doodle, cockapoos) but have quickly ruled them out as it is obvious they are not doing all the right things. We mainly looked at these breeds for the reduced shedding aspect.

My questions:

1. Outside of the designer breeds we looked at (doodles, cockapoos) what breeds are a good fit for what we are looking for?
2. Given the suggested breed, can you recommend a breeder?


This is such a confusing and frustrating journey. We have come across several breeders that are obviously puppy mills or just really poorly run backyard breeders looking to make a quick buck. It's so sad to pull back that curtain and see what these people are all about.

We are new to this and any help and guidance that can be provided would be so appreciated.

Thank you for reading this!

Stags
How about a lab or golden retriever?? And for a breeder have you tried puppy finder or puppy spot??
Look for OFA test and eye examines. Also if they don't grill you for questions chances are they aren't good. If you can't meet at least the dad of the puppies there has to be something up. It's good if you find one from a championship blood line means the parents are worked with higher chance of getting a better puppy

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Always knew I wanted a GSD, never had one, didn't grow up around them or anyone having one. I grew up with Collies.. knew nothing about AKC, breeders, puppy mills, bybs we didn't have designer dogs they were called oops litters ....... I got myself out there for any listing of GSD's I could find. looked , listened , asked questions. I wish I had known then to find local dog clubs, or dog shows, (there is all breed shows , and there are breed specific dog shows) There are training centers now, that would also be helpful to see what they about ... active breeders in their breed will be going to training centers getting them ready to prove their pups .. Information and experience having hands on , will ease so much of the unknown frustrations and worries... Don't be in a hurry, enjoy the journey of knowing you found the right pup, and the right support system for you and the pup ... I spent 3 years collecting first hand experiences and still had to make up my own opinion on how I felt about it. I ended up realizing all the things I didn't want in a breeder, and a GSD. When I did find the right breeder, I knew it, very confident and seeing her dogs and her accomplishments again I knew I was in the right place for me. .. Don't be in a rush <3

Adding.... it's nice when a breeder has a puppy start program. that they active interacting with the pups. getting them ready for their new homes. getting my pups at 12 wks old the breeder has had a lot of time to introduce exposure, of one on one time, schedules, crate time, potty training. I like breeder who has a puppy start program
 

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How about a lab or golden retriever?? And for a breeder have you tried puppy finder or puppy spot??
Look for OFA test and eye examines. Also if they don't grill you for questions chances are they aren't good. If you can't meet at least the dad of the puppies there has to be something up. It's good if you find one from a championship blood line means the parents are worked with higher chance of getting a better puppy

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I believe that labs or goldens will shed too much for what we are looking for.
 

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Always knew I wanted a GSD, never had one, didn't grow up around them or anyone having one. I grew up with Collies.. knew nothing about AKC, breeders, puppy mills, bybs we didn't have designer dogs they were called oops litters ....... I got myself out there for any listing of GSD's I could find. looked , listened , asked questions. I wish I had known then to find local dog clubs, or dog shows, (there is all breed shows , and there are breed specific dog shows) There are training centers now, that would also be helpful to see what they about ... active breeders in their breed will be going to training centers getting them ready to prove their pups .. Information and experience having hands on , will ease so much of the unknown frustrations and worries... Don't be in a hurry, enjoy the journey of knowing you found the right pup, and the right support system for you and the pup ... I spent 3 years collecting first hand experiences and still had to make up my own opinion on how I felt about it. I ended up realizing all the things I didn't want in a breeder, and a GSD. When I did find the right breeder, I knew it, very confident and seeing her dogs and her accomplishments again I knew I was in the right place for me. .. Don't be in a rush <3

Adding.... it's nice when a breeder has a puppy start program. that they active interacting with the pups. getting them ready for their new homes. getting my pups at 12 wks old the breeder has had a lot of time to introduce exposure, of one on one time, schedules, crate time, potty training. I like breeder who has a puppy start program
Thanks for the feedback. While we are not in a rush, we don't want to spend 3 years to find a dog. Our second grader would be a fifth grader by then!
 

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it only took my 3 years because I didn't find the right one... by the right person :) don't settle.. you have red flags listen to your gutt... lot easier to not have the wrong dog, then to have to get rid of them having the wrong dog...
 

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Welcome! A standard or mini poodle would fit your requirements as would a Welsh springer spaniel and maybe a Eurasier, sheltie, or collie. A Eurasier or sheltie might shed a bit more than you want - I'm really not sure how much the shed - and a collie might be a bit bigger than you want.

As for finding a breeder, I'd suggest finding the breeder referral contact from the national breed club for the breed(s) you're interested in and getting information from that person. You can also go to local dog shows to meet breeds and talk to breeders (just wait until after they've shown).
 

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While I am pretty much against designer type dogs.. decent breeders of a few of them DO exist.

I would take a look into "Australian Labradoodles". I can't exactly tell you where it is because I'm not into that kind of thing.. but I swear I remember a list of Labradoodle breeders that are required to health test. Maybe someone else knows what I am talking about.

Look for OFA, Hip and Elbow scores minimum. Even better Doodle breeders do Eyes/Heart/Thyroid check and sometimes other poodle related diseases. Also make sure they do some kind of puppy socialization PROGRAM. Not just.. "well socialized". Puppy Culture is a good example.. and I KNOW there are Doodle breeders that do it. If you are worried about aggression and fear.. you want a breeder that does more than just "regular" socialization. You also want a breeder that cares what they are producing and not just pumping out puppies. Getting a dog a from a puppy mill type situation is gonna be more risky than adopting a rescue.

I prefer breeders that prove their dogs are worth breeding. This means showing in conformation (more than just a beauty contest and yes they sell puppies as pets only), or doing something else. Agility, dock diving, lure coursing, obedience, therapy dogs, canine good citizen test etc. These are all things that are proving the dogs can go out into the world and function outside of the home. You would probably be looking for dogs that have therapy/service dogs in the pedigree and have passed their CGC tests/done obedience.

It is often easier to find a purebred from a decent breeder.

-Miniature Poodle
-Standard Poodle
-Bichon
-Coton De Tulear

Are a few that come to mind. You'll want to look up the AKC parent breed club where the often have breeder directories or breeder referrals. What state are you in?

Finding a breeder without really knowing what you are looking for can definitely be a difficult task.
 

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Welcome! A standard or mini poodle would fit your requirements as would a Welsh springer spaniel and maybe a Eurasier, sheltie, or collie. A Eurasier or sheltie might shed a bit more than you want - I'm really not sure how much the shed - and a collie might be a bit bigger than you want.

As for finding a breeder, I'd suggest finding the breeder referral contact from the national breed club for the breed(s) you're interested in and getting information from that person. You can also go to local dog shows to meet breeds and talk to breeders (just wait until after they've shown).
Thanks for the info cookie!
 

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While I am pretty much against designer type dogs.. decent breeders of a few of them DO exist.

I would take a look into "Australian Labradoodles". I can't exactly tell you where it is because I'm not into that kind of thing.. but I swear I remember a list of Labradoodle breeders that are required to health test. Maybe someone else knows what I am talking about.

Look for OFA, Hip and Elbow scores minimum. Even better Doodle breeders do Eyes/Heart/Thyroid check and sometimes other poodle related diseases. Also make sure they do some kind of puppy socialization PROGRAM. Not just.. "well socialized". Puppy Culture is a good example.. and I KNOW there are Doodle breeders that do it. If you are worried about aggression and fear.. you want a breeder that does more than just "regular" socialization. You also want a breeder that cares what they are producing and not just pumping out puppies. Getting a dog a from a puppy mill type situation is gonna be more risky than adopting a rescue.

I prefer breeders that prove their dogs are worth breeding. This means showing in conformation (more than just a beauty contest and yes they sell puppies as pets only), or doing something else. Agility, dock diving, lure coursing, obedience, therapy dogs, canine good citizen test etc. These are all things that are proving the dogs can go out into the world and function outside of the home. You would probably be looking for dogs that have therapy/service dogs in the pedigree and have passed their CGC tests/done obedience.

It is often easier to find a purebred from a decent breeder.

-Miniature Poodle
-Standard Poodle
-Bichon
-Coton De Tulear

Are a few that come to mind. You'll want to look up the AKC parent breed club where the often have breeder directories or breeder referrals. What state are you in?

Finding a breeder without really knowing what you are looking for can definitely be a difficult task.
Thanks for the recommendations!

We are located in central new Jersey and all of NJ, eastern PA, Delaware, Northern Maryland, and close areas of NY are ideal locations for us.
 

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In Central NJ, you should be close to dog shows! My advice is to go to a show or two and meet some dogs and breeders in person. Don't approach when they're about to enter the ring (they have to focus then!), but find them when they're grooming or just hanging out where they've set up their crates and tables. Most breeders will be happy to talk to you about the good and bad points of a breed and to let you know when they'll have a litter available or even refer you to another breeder.

Also, sometimes breeders have young adult dogs (~6 months to a year old) that they held back as show possibilities but that didn't work out for whatever (usually small) reason. These dogs are already well-socialized, housebroken, and trained to walk nicely on a leash, so I actually prefer those to a new pup. My papillon was a year old show prospect who got a little too tall, and she's the easiest dog I've ever had.

Just did a search for you and it looks like there's an all-breed show from January 17-21 at the Wildwood Convention Center at 4500 Boardwalk in Wildwood, NJ, although that may be a little far, I don't know. Keep an eye on the AKC calendar! https://www.apps.akc.org/apps/event_calendar/index.cfm
 

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  • My wife and I had a dog years ago that we lost
  • Our daughter is in 2nd grade and we are ready for a new fur baby
  • We want a mid-sized family dog (20'ish to 50'ish pounds)
  • Minimal shedding ("hypoallergenic")
  • Moderate energy type dog (preferably a dog that is somewhat chill)
  • Friendly with people and other animals
  • "Easy" to train
My standard poodle pretty much fits that list to a tee. LOVES people, he loves his brothers (pom and mini poodle) and can be walked around the neighbourhood and be in my grooming shop loose with no issue with dogs being led through, but doesn't love interacting with too many 'outside' dogs at least until he gets to know them (he met the neighbours dog over the fence enough that when that dog jumped into our yard all my dog wanted to do was play). Medium energy (4-6 off leash runs a day 15-45 mins of fetch (I go to a private dog park where you have the park to yourself), on days he can't be run some brain exercises (training, food frozen in kong, food hidden around house for him to find) and he sleeps the day away, low shed (no dog is NO shed), but obviously that entails grooming costs which can be expensive especially if wanting a longer trim or no at home upkeep. Pretty easy to train (and will likely get more trainable as he matures)
 

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I second poodles.

But yes... that was my reaction pretty much when I went to look for a purebred puppy (I live in central Jersey too). I realized after 3 weeks that I would probably not have one in years (unless I wanted a non tested puppy, I could have got one of those in 1 month), so instead got a mixed breed puppy from a rescue (and yes, she has anxiety issues unfortunately, like my other rescue, but it only cost me $300 to adopt her and she's still a great dog).

But I spent 3 weeks contacting every reputable breeder (from Internet searches and contacting the breed club) within a 7 hour drive and only heard back from one who had no more breeding plans.

Honestly, I'm not surprised at all that most people end up buying from backyard breeders or puppy mills.
 

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Poodle. Minimal shedding. No dog is really hypoallergenic, but Poodles would be the least likely to cause allergy issues. Any of the small companion breeds like a Lhaso Apso, Shi Tzu, Bichon, Maltese. Unfortunately, these are popular breeds, so finding a good breeder can be hard. Have you checked out the AKC's list of reputable breeders? If you look up the AKC club for each breed, they typically have a list of breeders. Like others have said, going to a dog show can also be beneficial to you.
 

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take a trip to the local shelter and see what you can find you would be surprised at what you could find in a mixed breed
 

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No breed is truly “hypoallergenic “, but some, like Poodles, Bichon Frise, and other single coated breeds, do seem to be less likely to cause reactions in people with allergies. If you go to the AKC website, you can find information about each breed, including a link to the parent club, who will have even more information, including breeder recommendations.

Good breeders will compete with their dogs in recognized venues to obtain impartial third party evaluations (conformation and/or performance titles), and will do the recommended health testing on their breeding dogs (all breeds have issues, some more than others).

So called “designer dogs” are mixed breeds, usually bred with very little consideration beyond producing puppies.
 

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take a trip to the local shelter and see what you can find you would be surprised at what you could find in a mixed breed
We had a shelter dog before and we loved him. But he had major medical issues and was extremely people and dog aggressive. We know we can't truly eliminate the possibility of that happening but we want to minimize the chances by finding a reputable breeder.

We have used the AKC website and have contacted dozens of breeders across multiple states. We have not received responses 95% of the time.

It's almost like the whole system is designed so people are forced to buy from backyard breeders.

Sorry for venting, but it is just so frustrating...
 

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Venting is realistic at this point in the process trying to find your way around how the system works, when it comes to finding breeders. In today times many people use Facebook pages instead of websites so thats another area to search, finding breed groups on FB too. I've stopped people in pets mart for seeing a nice looking GSD only to find out it was related to my breeders dogs lol ...

I can't remember the spelling of the all breed dog show register Onfirio something like that.. Anyone chime in to help... You can find show dates and locations ,, All my dogs now were not in state they were flown in US and imported. You could get a dog from any place in the US or in the world if you choose too. And found the right breeder with the right breeding program you wanted a puppy from. always exciting for all the options..
 

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Honestly, go to a show. It's easy for people to forget to answer an email or to not have the time to respond with a long email about their breed, especially when they won't have pups available in the next little while. I have met so many breeders at shows, and they'll give you a card with their phone number if you ask. I find that many breeders are older and aren't great at responding to email -- they prefer calls.
 

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Welcome! A standard or mini poodle would fit your requirements as would a Welsh springer spaniel and maybe a Eurasier, sheltie, or collie. A Eurasier or sheltie might shed a bit more than you want - I'm really not sure how much the shed - and a collie might be a bit bigger than you want.
Eurasiers do shed, though I don't find it to be all that bad compared to our Newfie's shedding. Beckett tends to blow coat twice a year, and it comes out in neat little clumps as opposed to just hair everywhere.

If, however, the Eurasier looks like a dog you might be interested in, they're my breed and I'm very involved with them! I would most definitely be able to connect you with breeders and can get information on any currently planned litters in the US.

Growing up, though, I had a miniature poodle (we got him specifically because my father was allergic to everything else and poodles don't shed) and he was a GREAT dog. I also agree with everyone who suggested going to a show and meeting some dogs and breeders there!
 
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