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Hi Everyone,

I am new here, joined to seek answers for my new life raising a dog. I have a mutt (german/lab) that is one year, generally he is tolerable and since he bit a kid that was most likely taunting him, I decided to make him a house dog. I go to court tommorrow. He's not the problem though.

Several days ago I bought a puppy from a breeder that told my dd she would sell to us for $50 ( a chow, full breed/female/cinnamon in color). We made the purchase, the breeder delivered the 3mos. old chow from a kennel which the puppy refused to move from. She literally had to dump the puppy out of the kennel. Ask for further assistance, which I refused and she left. Ofcourse, I'm thinking since this is just a pup. surely I can handle her....wrong...super big mistake!

This puppy which was fairly big ran behind my entertainment shelves pooped sprayed all the walls in the process and refused to come out with the meanest snarls and bite attempts she could muster. I called my elderly dad (which is in good shape) to help me with her. She bit my dad on 3 fingers...blood everywhere but somehow he managed to tug the rope the lady had around the dogs neck and get her to the back room kernel to contain the puppy. Yes, a keen rope around the pups neck....my dd was furious and so was I.

We immdediately bought a collar/leash for the pup and named her "Pepper". However, this is "day 6" and the pup yet refuses to let us bathe her, pick her up, attempt to potty train her without threatening with her vicious snarls and growls to bite our fingers off as she attempted to with my dad's. My daughter found a good bath spray-on for the dog which smells great but the puppy yet barks to get out of the kennel to poop and pee...so she can mess the floors/carpet. She still runs back into the kennel when I try to guide her to the right place to poop/pee; So she ends up peeing in the kennel on the part I lined with the newspaper.

Now she has learned to save her pooping for human attempts to move her against her will(defense mechanism). She snarls, bites and poop sprays the walls and floors during the entire moving process. My dd and I did attempt to get her to the bathroom and this is the price we paid...we spent hours cleaning the walls and floors where she'd ran poop-spraying and dodging us.

I feel this dominant pup has control of us, she growls continously at my big dog and my daughter and refuses to let me properly care for her. We have decided to sell her to a breeder or trainer to get our money back, but it troubles us because after dealing with the breeder that sold us the puppy; We are feeling not everyone who breeds are good breeders for the dog or potential family holders. We are also considering the animal shelter for her....problem is how do we even get her to move at our will without getting bit. We are afraid of this pup and we have reached the conclusion that she is definitely not a match for our family unit. She needs to go so the right ones can give her the proper care she so desperate needs.

Any advice...please help
 

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OH MY....

First thing you need to do is obtain the dog's trust. Try sitting on the floor with some treats and have her come to you on her terms... pet her, rub her ears... do as much as she will let you.... do this regularly, at least to start.
 

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The dog isn't dominant. She's terrified. Clearly the "breeder" didn't socialise the puppy at all, and it probably never left whatever kennel it grew up in.

This dog is going to be a LOT of work and problems, and will probably never be a confident, happy dog. I would return it to the breeder or have it put to sleep.
 

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Forget about trying to get your money back. Apparently you didn't check out the puppy or the breeder before you spent your money. Big mistake. If you are not willing to keep this poor dog, find a rescue who can take it in. Be up front with what happened. Hopefully someone with some insight can work with this dog who apparently has had a really bad start in life.
 

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Dominant? REALLY?! that dog is absolutely terrified! The dog needs time, and a LOT of work. Probably more than you would be interested in giving it.
 

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I would be so quick to put it to sleep though, I mean these dogs can be worked with, but the owner has to be patient which doesn't seem like its probable so rehoming it to a chow experienced owner would probably be your best bet. Or a chow rescue.
 

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She needs to go so the right ones can give her the proper care she so desperate needs.
And who are these magical people who have the time, money, and desire to socialize a pup with such deep-rooted problems? For the most part, there aren't people out there looking for a project dog. If you take this pup to a shelter, it will likely get put down.

You're painting yourself as the victim in this story, but you supported the breeder who allowed this situation to occur. She bred a couple of dogs, irresponsibly no doubt, failed to socialize the pups, and got money for her trouble! And you know what? She will do it again. Next time, do some research, seek out a responsible breeder, or rescue.
 

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The puppy is scared out of its mind and defending itself. Hire a professional trainer that uses positive methods or rehome with a breed-specific or other experienced rescue group. Since you are already dealing with one dog that bites people, you need serious help to deal with another terrified dog before it too becomes dangerous and a liability. And the so-called breeder is a POS that should never have gotten your money and doesnt deserve the dog back.

Oh, and quit worrying about Christmas... You chose to take on a puppy right before the holidays; even a well mannered pup would require a ton of your time and attention
 

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I've been volunteering at a busy high kill shelter for two years and we barely ever see puppies that bad. I agree, it'll be put down ASAP upon arrival to the shelter. You're only option, that'll help her and you without euthanasia, is to find a chow rescue or another rescue willing to take her in. Because she is young she can be rehabilitated. You're most likely misreading her behavior and labeling her incorrectly as aggressive. Puppies are rarely truly aggressive, she's simply scared... but she could certainly do some harm later or maybe even now. She needs someone experienced to help her, like a rescue.
 

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If you live in the US you may be able to opt for Puppy Lemon laws, depending on your state.
Otherwise, if you have time work on rehabing this poorly bred and socialized pup (which CAN be done, it just takes time) or put her down. I feel that if you take her back to her breeder your puppy will produce more just like herself.
In the event that you sell her to another breeder or trick someone into buying her you are either just as irresponsible as the breeder for reproducing her, or your just pushing your problems off on someone else.

Frankly, you chose not to research proper breeding practices, and while it is sad that this puppy is such a nervous (read: NERVOUS not DOMINANT) wreck, she is YOUR dog now. You would be bailing on her just like her 'breeder' did.
 

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Return the dog to the breeder if you can (though you likely will have to forget getting a refund) or find a breed specific rescue to take it. If you take her to a shelter she will likely not pass any temperament tests and will be euthed. Since you say you have a small child, I am hesitant to recommend you go to a behaviourist and work with it...this dog is highly terrified (not dominant) and a terrified dog will bite.

You didn't have the forethought to check out the breeder, so I cannot assume you would have the forethought to not leave the pup with the child...especially since I'm assuming the other dog bite happened when you weren't there..since you "think" he may have been teased it's obvious you weren't there to see it. Not responsible things to do all around.
 

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Several days ago I bought a puppy... for $50... we made the purchase
Please don't refer to a living, breathing animal as a 'purchase.' You don't 'purchase' a child when you adopt one, even as a baby, and you don't purchase a dog.
It makes it seem like a trivial buy like a computer or a Christmas tree.
 

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Put the puppy down, if you're going to court for a nip by your gsd, imagine what could happen if this pup got out. I think it's the kindest thing to do, also report the person you bought it off to the aspca, maybe take some video of the dog's behaviour for them to view. It would be the kindest thing to do to put her to sleep. As Hallie said about working in a shelter, I was behaviourist in a shelter last year and did not come across a dog as bad as you are describing and this was a very very high kill shelter.
 

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I really find it highly depressing how many people are suggesting to put the puppy down. Poor thing is three months old and terrified out of her mind because some dumb*ss breeder doesn't really care about the dogs. Now granted the owner screwed up (pretty mightily). But that doesn't necessarily mean to tell them that because they screwed up (again) that the dog should die. They came looking for help didn't they?

So I second the sitting in the room with treats. Good treats, bits of hot dog, bacon, things that smell awesome. And toss them to her. Sit with your back to her so that she can't see her. Don't sit and stare at her as tempting as it is. To a terrified dog, being "stared down" like that makes it worse. It is going to take lots of time. At first it needs to consistently be the same person trying to make her feel safe. Get her into a routine even though you can't necessarily bring her outside. Deal with the fact that you will be picking up poop and cleaning up pee inside. It sucks I know. Don't yell at her. Don't punish her. Just come into the room at the same times everday. Give her food. New water. Toss treats. Speak gently and nicely. Don't worry about your Christmas season. You brought this little girl into your home and you owe it to her to try and make it better. Not take the easy way out and "put her to sleep."

Contact a behaviorist if you can. And if you really think you can't handle her then get her to a chow rescue. If you give her back to that breeder, you know as well as everybody here she stands no chance.
 

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The dog is 3 months old and well past its critical socialisation period, the likelihood of it being any kind of normal dog is very slight/highly improbable. How it's acting indicates that it is beyond reasonable hope in IMHO.
 

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Depending on the location of the OP, lots of shelter pups get put down simply because of space limitations. Trying to rehabilitate one that's this far gone...I just don't see the point when there's gobs of others waiting for homes. Too callous for you? Blame the irresponsible breeders and the people who support them.
 

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The dog is 3 months old and well past its critical socialisation period, the likelihood of it being any kind of normal dog is very slight/highly improbable. How it's acting indicates that it is beyond reasonable hope in IMHO.
I agree with this, and this is why I suggested pts. A dog this young with this many problems isn't going to have a good life. Maybe, just maybe, it could get a LITTLE better with a LOT of professional help, but it will most likely never be a happy, normal, confident dog. Chances are this will always be a high maintenance, fearful dog. PTS is often more humane than life at all costs.
 

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I am saddened by all of the "PTS" responses. Really. This isn't a 3 year old aggressive dog. This is a 3 month old terrified puppy who needs guidance and needs to know that the world is not a terrible place. I got my dog from a rescue when she was 4 months old, and she had been in a shelter since she was 8 weeks old, so she also missed most of her critical socialization period. Did she need extra work? Yes.

What about dogs from hoarders? Should the immediately be put down because they are fearful? Should they not be given a chance to be rehabilitated?

Do I think this person is equipped to handle this pup? No, I don't. I think the best thing for the pup is for the OP to find someone knowledgeable to take it. What about contacting a Chow rescue? A Behaviorist? A trainer? Something...

Is everyone overlooking the fact that he got a chow from a "breeder" for $50? BYB anyone?

Has the dog been to a vet? Have you TRIED to sit on the floor and wait for the dog to come to you? Have you kept the dog and the puppy seperate? Do you even know if the puppy has its shots yet? Or have you just decided that the dog is doing this to be mean? Because that is just silly.

The dog is not dominant. The dog is scared, alone, has been literally dumped in a place that it doesn't know.

Oh, and if your dog bit someone, regardless of the taunting, that is not good. Apparently you need to work on supervising and socializing BOTH your dogs.

Please do this puppy a favor and start making phone calls. Get the pup the help it needs...and get it out of your house. You were obviously not ready to handle a puppy, nor should you, if you are dealing with a dog bite case (yet another thing everyone seems to be overlooking--what breeder in her right mind would sell a puppy to a person with a pending court case for a dog bite?)

Seriously. This whole situation is out of control.
 
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