No seasonings at all. Seasonings are not species specific. Dogs don't need extra flavor. Just plain raw meat, bones & organs are what they need. Start simple with chicken & don't move onto another meat source until the dog is doing well, meaning nice solid poops.
Raw Feeding((plz only post if exp in this)) -- Novices need to know HOW
Okay. I was swayed to Raw Fed Diet. ((thanks again marsha, :wink
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Marsha told me of a website, i went, and loved what i read, and **miracle of miracles** managed to convience one of my best friends(who owns an akita, older 12yrs) into trying raw with her 'n his mother's 2 shitzu's... Our problem...
My puppy is 4months, his is 12yrs, and he's responsible for 2 tiny shitzu's... We are going to start with chicken as its easier to access and cheaper by far for us.
Our delimna. How do we go about it? how much? what should all be in it for the first time meal in respect of each of our dogs(the shitzu's are 1yr 'n 3yrs).
We are complete novice and want to find all this out before attempting the change over. ((gradual change over that is, lol))
Basically... we need to know exactly what to feed and how much to feed.
) Marsha told me of a website, i went, and loved what i read, and **miracle of miracles** managed to convience one of my best friends(who owns an akita, older 12yrs) into trying raw with her 'n his mother's 2 shitzu's... Our problem...
My puppy is 4months, his is 12yrs, and he's responsible for 2 tiny shitzu's... We are going to start with chicken as its easier to access and cheaper by far for us.
Our delimna. How do we go about it? how much? what should all be in it for the first time meal in respect of each of our dogs(the shitzu's are 1yr 'n 3yrs).
We are complete novice and want to find all this out before attempting the change over. ((gradual change over that is, lol))
Basically... we need to know exactly what to feed and how much to feed.
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Nutmeg is dangerous and salt isn't good but most of the rest are fine to good for dogs. Pepper can burn the mouth as can too much ginger and spices like that of course but pepper combined with turmeric is being used for cancer and ginger is great for motion sickness so it is like most things, use in moderation.
okay great. I got a package of 3 Turkey Drumsticks. Meaty ones. Would that be okay? It is in the fowl family like chicken. If only chicken then i got some thighs, breast(chopped up) and legs that i could give her.
Gotcha on the no seasonings. She officially weighs 40 pounds. Would 1 turkey drumstick be okay or should she be given 2? or should i give her a chicken thigh 'n a turkey drumstick combination?
No processing, no seasonings, notta done. Just butchered. It had to be sold or frozen by tonight, so i bought them for a steal and just threw them in the freezer. I wonder if i should toss her a piece of chicken thigh tonight and see what she does? or a piece of the chopped up chicken breast? the thigh as no bone. the chicken breast(chopped) is frozen but the chicken thighs 'n turkey drumstick isnt as of yet(just got those tonight).
O. Btw. I got a ton of hotdogs frozen, and a package opened 'n a package unopened that are in the fridge.... She loves to get those.. I only do them as a rare special treat. Cause i've heard conflicting opinions on hotdogs.
Gotcha on the no seasonings. She officially weighs 40 pounds. Would 1 turkey drumstick be okay or should she be given 2? or should i give her a chicken thigh 'n a turkey drumstick combination?
No processing, no seasonings, notta done. Just butchered. It had to be sold or frozen by tonight, so i bought them for a steal and just threw them in the freezer. I wonder if i should toss her a piece of chicken thigh tonight and see what she does? or a piece of the chopped up chicken breast? the thigh as no bone. the chicken breast(chopped) is frozen but the chicken thighs 'n turkey drumstick isnt as of yet(just got those tonight).
O. Btw. I got a ton of hotdogs frozen, and a package opened 'n a package unopened that are in the fridge.... She loves to get those.. I only do them as a rare special treat. Cause i've heard conflicting opinions on hotdogs.
Both my dogs weigh 40 lbs and they get about 12-16 oz per day. One drumstick should be plenty. Do keep an eye though because turkey drumstick bones often break into pointy shards when chomped. Make sure the dog leaves the shards or chomps them up nicely before swallowing.
I use cut up hotdogs as treats sometimes. Little pieces. They are NOT good as a food source. Treats only. Don't have a meal of hotdogs.
I use cut up hotdogs as treats sometimes. Little pieces. They are NOT good as a food source. Treats only. Don't have a meal of hotdogs.
Max is a wimpy 38 pound senior and doesn't do so good with the long poultry bones. Backs and necks with the small bones are much easier on him. Turkey legs may be a lot for a gut that isn't used to dealing with bone.
Was that a raw ham as in a rear leg of a pig or a raw ham as in salted and cured but not cooked? I don't have any problem finding raw rear pig legs but some say they are rare. If a salted ham then good she just got the bone, don't give her the meat.
Was that a raw ham as in a rear leg of a pig or a raw ham as in salted and cured but not cooked? I don't have any problem finding raw rear pig legs but some say they are rare. If a salted ham then good she just got the bone, don't give her the meat.
it was a rear leg of a pig that was uncooked. no salt. i dont buy meat thats been seasoned with salt as a preservative due to having water issues in myself(i cant drink water*had bad water as a child and my stomach wont tolerate it if its just plain water*, so i have to watch what i eat that makes me drink alot due to also having constant bladder infections and bladder control issues).
I just toss her the hotdogs chopped up into bite size pieces and thats before i cook them. and yes, they are only given as special reward treats as i know they are not healthy. lol. I have abt 10 packages, i got for free(they was a dollar each on sale, and i had dollar off coupons, lol) - 8 of those are frozen / 1 unopened 'n ready in fridge and 1 opened 'n ready in fridge. I use 'em for myself 'n my oldest for quick easy meals with mac 'n cheese. lol. its also a great learning tool for her to learn how to cook. nobody can mess up macaroni 'n cheese and to nuke hotdogs and cut them up(butter knife) 'n toss into the mac 'n cheese. lol
I just toss her the hotdogs chopped up into bite size pieces and thats before i cook them. and yes, they are only given as special reward treats as i know they are not healthy. lol. I have abt 10 packages, i got for free(they was a dollar each on sale, and i had dollar off coupons, lol) - 8 of those are frozen / 1 unopened 'n ready in fridge and 1 opened 'n ready in fridge. I use 'em for myself 'n my oldest for quick easy meals with mac 'n cheese. lol. its also a great learning tool for her to learn how to cook. nobody can mess up macaroni 'n cheese and to nuke hotdogs and cut them up(butter knife) 'n toss into the mac 'n cheese. lol
I really think you need to reread this website: http://preymodelraw.com/how-to-get-started/okay great. I got a package of 3 Turkey Drumsticks. Meaty ones. Would that be okay? It is in the fowl family like chicken. If only chicken then i got some thighs, breast(chopped up) and legs that i could give her.
Gotcha on the no seasonings. She officially weighs 40 pounds. Would 1 turkey drumstick be okay or should she be given 2? or should i give her a chicken thigh 'n a turkey drumstick combination?
No processing, no seasonings, notta done. Just butchered. It had to be sold or frozen by tonight, so i bought them for a steal and just threw them in the freezer. I wonder if i should toss her a piece of chicken thigh tonight and see what she does? or a piece of the chopped up chicken breast? the thigh as no bone. the chicken breast(chopped) is frozen but the chicken thighs 'n turkey drumstick isnt as of yet(just got those tonight).
O. Btw. I got a ton of hotdogs frozen, and a package opened 'n a package unopened that are in the fridge.... She loves to get those.. I only do them as a rare special treat. Cause i've heard conflicting opinions on hotdogs.
If you don't want to give your dog bad diarrhea and indigestion you need to start simple. Don't go back and forth between chicken and turkey, pick one and stick to it for at least two weeks. You need to feed bone in meals only to start and gradually up the amount of meat to bone ratio which means you will need to add bone to the chicken thighs if you plan to serve them to start. While you're transitioning I would not feed the hotdogs or any other treats until she is doing well with firm stools.
I hope you don't take offence to this advice I have just heard so many people going into raw without fully committing to it and ending up giving their dog a lot of digestive distress because they didn't do their research fully and stick to the transition plan.
not offended as i take her health seriously and any advice given on this topic is crucial. even if its repeated but in different way.... and i dont know which 1 to give to start off with. my desktop crashed and ALL of my information on it went with it.. so i'm stuck on my brother's laptop, trying to re-find the websites i had saved under favorites. Thanks for the info... I have roughly 2 weeks worth of food left. Would chicken legs work? i do have those. i have the meat i bought in the freezer, so its all good still.... i just need to know which to start her own. read the post abt to start her with 1 pound but is that a pound a day or pound per meal? argh. its just so confusing.
If you're still very confused especially about how much you should roughly be feeding - I would really consider holding off and just to continue reading before even considering to start feeding raw. I understand the need to want your dog to be as healthy as possible and wanting her on the best food but if you don't fully understand what you're getting into and fully comprehend all of the numbers and weights and ratios that go along with feeding raw I would really wait.
As long as you are feeding a high quality kibble to her there's nothing really truly wrong with that especially while you're reading up on raw. Two weeks in the grand scheme of things isn't all that long. But that is just my two cents. From my understanding most people research raw for MONTHS before they even try it.
As long as you are feeding a high quality kibble to her there's nothing really truly wrong with that especially while you're reading up on raw. Two weeks in the grand scheme of things isn't all that long. But that is just my two cents. From my understanding most people research raw for MONTHS before they even try it.
Sasha's food is "seasoned" with a few drops of oil of oregano that I blend with olive oil. Oregano is a natural antibacterial and antifungal.
She doesnt really like the TOTW. I noticed she is eating around it in her food bowl. So i tried giving it to her as a treat by itself and she turned her nose up at it. What other brands are just as good but taste better? she is a finicky eatter obiviously.
she loves chicken, turkey, wild vension and bison ..... also want to do grain free since they dont have that in the wild. trying to go as natural as possible. but i am going to hold off on the raw diet until i understand it better.. or at least until she is a full grown adult where its easier to gage since she will have stopped growing. lol.
she loves chicken, turkey, wild vension and bison ..... also want to do grain free since they dont have that in the wild. trying to go as natural as possible. but i am going to hold off on the raw diet until i understand it better.. or at least until she is a full grown adult where its easier to gage since she will have stopped growing. lol.
Right now you are offering meaty bones every once in a while to see how she likes it, much the way I gave my dogs meaty bones to clean teeth once a week back when.
You can safely substitute one raw meal out of four meals without unbalancing the diet but they need to be not very bony or you risk loading up on calcium which can cause bones to grow too fast which is dangerous for a large breed pup. Kibble already has more calcium than dogs require and something like a 16 ounce turkey drumstick has 5x the calcium Max requires in a meal that is only 1.5x his usual.
If you want to continue offering raw every once in a while keep it to 1/4 of her total feed and only offer bony stuff every other time at the most. If she is eating twice a day a raw meal would be one pound, if she is eating three times a day a raw meal would be 11 ounces.
Even if your experimenting with raw means by the time she has finished the kibble she has tried liver, pork, beef, chicken, turkey and whatever else you have in the freezer without any problems you still need to go right back to plain bony chicken when you drop kibble. She may need to eat plain chicken for 2 days or 2 weeks before you can move on but you must take it easy anyway. If you do end up going through the meat in the freezer you must cut the meat from the steaks and chops, they are small and pointy.
If you notice any poop issues at all stop and evaluate what she has eaten and modify the diet the very next meal or the gut can easily go into a horrible feed back loop that is difficult to get out of.
Oil of oregano is really strong, do you check that the mixture doesn't burn?
When the kibble is out of the house start feeding her 2% of her ideal adult weight, you are estimating 100 pounds at maturity so 2 pounds total a day. Split that up into the meals she needs each day. Probably half a whole chicken a day split in half or 2 quarters from those 10 pound bags would work nicely.
You can safely substitute one raw meal out of four meals without unbalancing the diet but they need to be not very bony or you risk loading up on calcium which can cause bones to grow too fast which is dangerous for a large breed pup. Kibble already has more calcium than dogs require and something like a 16 ounce turkey drumstick has 5x the calcium Max requires in a meal that is only 1.5x his usual.
If you want to continue offering raw every once in a while keep it to 1/4 of her total feed and only offer bony stuff every other time at the most. If she is eating twice a day a raw meal would be one pound, if she is eating three times a day a raw meal would be 11 ounces.
Even if your experimenting with raw means by the time she has finished the kibble she has tried liver, pork, beef, chicken, turkey and whatever else you have in the freezer without any problems you still need to go right back to plain bony chicken when you drop kibble. She may need to eat plain chicken for 2 days or 2 weeks before you can move on but you must take it easy anyway. If you do end up going through the meat in the freezer you must cut the meat from the steaks and chops, they are small and pointy.
If you notice any poop issues at all stop and evaluate what she has eaten and modify the diet the very next meal or the gut can easily go into a horrible feed back loop that is difficult to get out of.
Oil of oregano is really strong, do you check that the mixture doesn't burn?
When the kibble is out of the house start feeding her 2% of her ideal adult weight, you are estimating 100 pounds at maturity so 2 pounds total a day. Split that up into the meals she needs each day. Probably half a whole chicken a day split in half or 2 quarters from those 10 pound bags would work nicely.
okay. would a plain thawed chicken leg be okay to give her once a week? Thanks for the info Kathyy. I will buy another bag of dry kibble for her... But do the transition over smoothly and over awhile. She does love her chicken. Would giving it to her cooked be okay, until i can figure it all out and give her more time to grow into her adult weight? the 100 pounds is an estimate, for all i know, she may stop at 80 pounds, but since she isn't even half grown and weighs 40 pounds, i honestly dont know. Since Great Pryenees and Golden Retriever's both grow at different rates and are 2 different breed sizes. 1 giant 1 large. lol. So that is why it is confusing me so much on how much to feed her considering i cant even gage what an ideal "proper" weight will be for her.
She is very lean, but a healthy lean. You can see the hour-glass figure, but yet there is some meat covering the ribs. but dips down to a narrow waist/hips.
But back to information about Raw diet and how to go about doing it with a puppy.... I appreciate the info Kathyy
She is very lean, but a healthy lean. You can see the hour-glass figure, but yet there is some meat covering the ribs. but dips down to a narrow waist/hips.
But back to information about Raw diet and how to go about doing it with a puppy.... I appreciate the info Kathyy
If she doesn't like -any- of the formulas TotW has to offer you could try wellness, orijen, blue buffalo, 4health, holistic select, fromm etc. I'm not sure however which I these brands offer grain-free though as I feed TotW.
Use dogfoodadvisor.com and search by the option of rating and pick 4 or 5 stars to find the best foods and the ones that are available in your area.
I think it's great that you're deciding to wait and really research and do it right!
Use dogfoodadvisor.com and search by the option of rating and pick 4 or 5 stars to find the best foods and the ones that are available in your area.
I think it's great that you're deciding to wait and really research and do it right!
yah. She does love chicken, elk, moose, venison, the most. really goes nuts over elk 'n venison though. **a friend owns property out in Montana, and went hunting a few months back and gave me some elk stew meat 'n elk ground as i've never had it before, lol** of course she was given the meat AFTER it was cooked.
i hope that is okay. giving her "table" scraps of cooked meat .... she goes gaga over me whenever i come home from work smelling of fish and chicken. she has to lick my pants n shirt and has to lick my hands even tho i know they are clean after the gazillion times i have to wash em at work. lol.
thanks for the website... i lost all contact/websites when my computer crashed(on bro's laptop until my hard drive is replaced, grrrrrr).
i hope that is okay. giving her "table" scraps of cooked meat .... she goes gaga over me whenever i come home from work smelling of fish and chicken. she has to lick my pants n shirt and has to lick my hands even tho i know they are clean after the gazillion times i have to wash em at work. lol.
thanks for the website... i lost all contact/websites when my computer crashed(on bro's laptop until my hard drive is replaced, grrrrrr).
You're welcome! Glad to try and help in anyway that I can!
Five drops mixed in a tablespoon of canola or olive oil and stirred into half a pound of meat or more fine. That said, I don't think meat needs to be seasoned for dogs; Sasha loves her meat any way she can get it. Oil of oregano is one seasoning that has benefits for dogs, though, especially if they are prone to either bacterial or fungal infections.Oil of oregano is really strong, do you check that the mixture doesn't burn?
Sasha eats raw wild deer.
Substituting 25% by calories of chicken, venison or other boneless meat for 25% of the kibble calories is just fine. Cooked or raw, your choice. Use the cooking liquid if you feed it cooked. You can use http://nutritiondata.self.com/ to estimate calories in the meats.
Lucky pup you have getting venison.
I read that oil of oregano is good for the purposes you mentioned but I have also read that it burns the mouth. That sounds like a very high concentration if the oil is fairly pure. I would put some of the oil mixture on a cracker and try it myself before giving that much to the pup.
Lucky pup you have getting venison.
I read that oil of oregano is good for the purposes you mentioned but I have also read that it burns the mouth. That sounds like a very high concentration if the oil is fairly pure. I would put some of the oil mixture on a cracker and try it myself before giving that much to the pup.
DO NOT COOK BONES. Cooked bones splitter, thus creating a choking hazard.
The oil of oregano tincture I've been using is 75%. I put it directly onto my own tongue. Five drops mixed into a tablespoon of olive or canola oil is very yummy and mild. Sasha loves her meat with or without it.I read that oil of oregano is good for the purposes you mentioned but I have also read that it burns the mouth. That sounds like a very high concentration if the oil is fairly pure. I would put some of the oil mixture on a cracker and try it myself before giving that much to the pup.
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