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Can you tell me what you mean by "bone day"? I assume you don't give bones every day? How often, then?
Everyone does it differently. I feed bones every morning with some muscle meat, egg, or organs added. Then they get all muscle meat in the evening. Some people will only feed food once a day and completely balance every meal 80-10-10.

Some will balance out the ratio over a week or even three weeks changing from meat days to bone days. They stock up their freezer with 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organ. Once the freezer is empty the dog has been balanced over a long period of time. It all depends on what makes the most sense to you and seems the simplest.
 

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this is my weekly menu for iorek right now. it will change when we move next week and can't order from the raw food company anymore. then we will be adding moose and rabbit (hopefully) and maybe a different fish source.

right now we are feeding:

sunday: pork neck bone + 1/2 lb of organ mix
monday: chicken necks or backs
tuesday: ground beef meal - balanced with meat, bone, and organ
wednesday: meaty lamb bones
thursday: ground chicken meal - balanced as above
friday: fresh atlantic mackerel
saturday: chicken necks or backs

i know it seems pretty bony but it works out well for iorek. too much more meat and he gets runny poops.
 

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Wow that is a lot of bone! Guess you can work on switching some bone for meat as he gets better at this.

I am trying to quit the daily bone so Max can have more fun with larger bones less often. This isn't something that should be done with a new to raw dog not used to getting meals that vary daily. Max has been raw fed for over a year now and I am just now getting brave enough. My next dog will be doing this but it could take six months or so to work up to it. As in daily he can have one small pork rib or 1/2 chicken back, every other day he could have 2 ribs or a whole back. That daily chicken leg or wing is far too much bone for him, every other day would be much better. It means I would be feeding a more appropriate amount of bone. Then I will feed the rich organ that can cause the squirts with the bone leaving plain meat and the less bony fish for the other days of the week.

Before I got my freezer this would have been difficult as I packed little daily meals and would have preferred to alternate bony meals with meaty meals. All those packets look the same frozen so I never dared.

This week the menu included beef heart, pork ribs, whole sardine and beef liver. Introducing lamb tripe a bit a day at the end of the week.
Tuesday pork rib+liver+heart [100% bone req]
Wednesday heart+sardine+egg [25%BR]
Thursday 2 pork rib+heart+liver[200%BR]
Friday heart+sardine[25%BR]
Saturday heart+tripe[0%BR]
Sunday 2 pork rib+heart[200%BR]
Looks like I did fine, 550% for 6 days instead of 600% but tomorrow will be the end of the ribs and heart as they are getting stinky! So I will end the week with a bit too much bone. Oh well, a work in progress.

Next week is that rib and heart left over from this week, plus tripe and liver. I found some kidney so I can feed a couple small chunks of that next week. And on a weekly basis he needs 7 ounces of sardines not 5. This is still way too fussy! Give me another year, maybe I will be tossing out hunks of meat nilly-willy the way old timers do.

He is enjoying the big heart hunks rather than the 3-5 ounce bits he got in a daily balanced meal. He is taking about 5 minutes to eat the rib meals instead of 2 minutes in a daily balanced meal so I am happy with that part of it. Now to find all the poops. He tends to hide them and they are tiny if he is doing well.
 

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Everyone does it differently. I feed bones every morning with some muscle meat, egg, or organs added. Then they get all muscle meat in the evening. Some people will only feed food once a day and completely balance every meal 80-10-10.
We follow this pattern as well. Mornings consist of ground tripe with 1 of either beef hearts, goat tongues, fish, or whatever other non-bone meat we are having that day, as well as their liver, sometimes lung or spleen. The boys eat tripe every day here - they love it and do very well on it.
Evening meals are bones - turkey necks, pork riblets/neckbones/breastbones. The big boys get whole chickens as well but the little guy has chicken allergies so his bone meals are pretty restricted.
 

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I feed one meal/ day in the mornings. I do not feed any veggies or grains, only meat, bones, organs and eggs.

I go for a balanced meal each day, but do skip organs and eggs now and again.

bones usually come from chicken legs/thighs/wings or pork neck bones (just be careful they aren't too sharp!) occasionally we'll do venison rib cage too.

muscle meat is either beef, venison, or pork

I do whole eggs most days, only one of my dogs won't eat the shell.

organ meat I try to vary alot....kidney, liver, spleen, gizzards I'll usually rotate these.

Everyone gets a fish oil capsule daily as well, and then their meal is topped off with a couple of tablespoons of kefir

Once in awhile I do whole fish....when my coworkers give me extra fish from their fishing expenditions....the dogs love it, but it's definitely a seasonal menu item....they have to eat the fish outside!!! Way too smelly to feed inside during the winter!
 

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I don't always feed every dog exactly the samething at the same time. It depends what I have (or what stores I can get too, some that are a bit of a drive have different meat sources or cheaper prices), what each dog is doing at the time, what they need, their age, ect.

Here are just some of my meal plans and various foods I feed. They can (and do for me) change/vary as you can feed one thing with another or change it up as you see fit. As long as you keep within correct ratios, varied sources and proper nutrition.

Chicken Quarter/Beef Liver
Beef Brisket/Chick bone/Lamb Liver
Ground Beef/chick bone
Ground Turkey/chick bone
Chicken Quarter/Ground Beef/beef heart
Deer/Antelope roast
Rabbit meat/organs
Turkey meat/organs
Duck meat/organs

Chicken breast, wings, feet, organs (backs on occasion, mostly to a couple specific dogs)
Caned mackerel or salmon
Steak trimming - the fat and small amount the meat
Salmon fillet I buy the big ones and cut them myself
Mutton can't get it close but wish we could
Goat rare occasion

Eggs 1-2 times per week
Ground egg shells
 

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I've been feeding my dogs this diet for the past 12 yrs. based on the breeder's recommendation. Up until 6-7 yrs. ago almost everyone thought I was nuts and told me my dogs would get sick and my children could die from exposure to these dogs (yes, even in CA!). Nice to know I have some fellow raw feeders. I usually get my meat, bones ,etc... from the San Francisco Raw Feeders Co-op. The eggs are from my ducks, and I grow all the veggies & most of the fruit. A typical meal for each of my dogs is ( based on weight of 19 lbs. and a very high activity level)


5 ounces raw meaty bones (may include canned fish(sardines) with bones once or twice a week)
2-3 ounces muscle meat/heart/tripe
1 to 2 ounces liver,kidney, pancreas, brain
1 duck egg every other day
1 Heaping spoonful of organic Greek yogurt or kefir
1 to 2 ounces vegetables/ fruit

daily supplements :

oil capsules (700- 800 mg combined EPA and DHA), or 3 small sardines.
200 IUs vitamin E
1/8 to 1/4 tsp green blend
1000 mg vitamin C once/day
Vitamin B-50 complex once or twice a day
 

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I feed raw and have been for a year, but don't actually have a menu yet. Basically, I just buy his meat, get a bit of it out when home, freeze the rest, and when one package is gone I thaw out another one. Unless you want the meat to go bad, you do need to make sure that you get out no more than enough to last a week, as well.
I do plan on starting an actual menu...eventually.

But here are the amounts I feed:
Gets: Approx. 7.2 oz. daily
Gets: Approx. 10.8 oz. organ over two weeks
Gets: Aprox. 5.4 oz. of liver over two weeks, same amount of other secreting organ
Gets: Approx. 108 oz. of food over two weeks
Gets: Approx. 10% organ (5% liver/5% other secreting organ)
Gets: Approx. 10% bone
Gets: Aproox. 80% meat
 

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I feed raw and have been for a year, but don't actually have a menu yet. Basically, I just buy his meat, get a bit of it out when home, freeze the rest, and when one package is gone I thaw out another one. Unless you want the meat to go bad, you do need to make sure that you get out no more than enough to last a week, as well.
I do plan on starting an actual menu...eventually.

But here are the amounts I feed:
Gets: Approx. 7.2 oz. daily
Gets: Approx. 10.8 oz. organ over two weeks
Gets: Aprox. 5.4 oz. of liver over two weeks, same amount of other secreting organ
Gets: Approx. 108 oz. of food over two weeks
Gets: Approx. 10% organ (5% liver/5% other secreting organ)
Gets: Approx. 10% bone
Gets: Aproox. 80% meat

That's a little odd. What kind of variety do you feed?
 

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That's a little odd. What kind of variety do you feed?
As much as possible. Mostly beef, pork, chicken, and turkey at this point. I try to feed varied cuts of each. I recently found some goat and I feed ox tails sometimes as well. Oh, and bison burgers. Raw, of course.
A sample meal would be a turkey drumstick, with chicken gizzards mixed with turkey meat and crushed egg shells. That's the meal Treader had yesterday.
 

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So glad to find this thread!

I have been feeding my Murphy the Bravo Burgers since we got him. This is his daily diet:

Morning:
1 8oz Bravo burger with an egg on top

Night:
1 8oz Bravo burger with 1/3 cup mixed veggie/fruit mush and 1/4 yogurt

Snacks: Marrow bones 2-3 times a week, carrots, organic doggie bones

Supplements:
Fish oil, vitamin E and joint supplement from the vet, he had surgery for a popped criciate ligament a couple months ago.

On days he goes to daycare, I will give him hearts and gizzards in the morning for the extra energy he expends.

I have been wondering if we should be feeding whole meats (chix backs, ect) for the bone factor or if I am missing out on anything.

He did have bloodwork right before his surgery and all his levels were perfect. He weighs 52lbs, his Vet says he should be 50. But since he had to stop daycare he has not been getting as much exercise as he was used to.

Any opinions would be appreciated
 

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We finally started a menu last week on Thursday.

Thursday: Beef liver, ground beef, and goat mixed with crushed egg shells, chicken foot
Friday: Beef liver and ground beef mixed with crushed egg shells, chicken foot
Saturday: Ground beef and goat mixed with crushed egg shells, chicken foot
Sunday: Goat meat, ground beef, chicken foot
Monday: Goat meat and ground beef, chicken foot
Tuesday: Goat meat (with some bone) and ground beef, chicken foot
Wednesday: Goat meat (with some bone), chicken foot, pork brains

The first three days are a bit too bone-heavy, I know. I tend to do variety over time and try to use up one package of meat before going to the next. In general.
I also didn't have any real RMBs this week, as you can see. I should be able to get something more mentally challenging for Treader's meal tomorrow.
 

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I tend to make a kinda food stew with my dog and mix together all the meat we give him is organic. I will typically make this and freeze it, this amount lasts me 3 and 1/2 days

1 cup cubed beef or bison (or game meat when I can get it)
1 - 1 1/2 cup organ meat (always tripe, liver, kidney and heart sometimes gizzards) the type of organ meat varries depending on whats availabe at the market
1/2 cup ground lamb, this is fatty so he dosent get that much
1/2 cup salmon (also fatty)
1 cup of lean turkey or chicken breast
1/2 cup of plain yogurt
2 cups vegitables ( usually green beans and carrots)
1 cup of fruit ( usually cranberries or apples)
1 raw egg and shell ground
1/4 teaspoon of salt
5 cups of brown rice or potatoes.

For treats he gets raw bison or beef marrow bones

I also make him dog treats with pureed liver and wild oats (theese are not raw) I cook the liver then puree it in a blender with a little water and an egg (with the shell) and add oats that have also been thought the blender so they have a flour like consistancy. I mix it up untill it is fairly firm then either roll the dough and cut cookies or just ball it and flatten it on a baking sheet. They only take about 8 min in the oven. My dog loves them so much.

I know this looks like lots of food but I have a fairly active and big dog. He is actually a bit under weight. We used to feed him 2 cups of this a day but have moved to three cups because he is loosing weight. I noticed that no one is feeding any grains, I was told by my vet that he needs at least 50% of his total diet to be carb's for energy and that brown rice, wild oats and potatoes where the best for him. Is there information to the contrary??
 

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I thought I would update my typical weekly menu, it changes and evolves from month to month, depending on what I can get at the meat counter and what's on sale.

AM meals - Pre-made frozen RAW from Buddies. (Ground beef and chicken meat and bone, assorted organ meat, veggie puree, bone dust) Salmon oil , Afalfa/Kelp powder, raw egg with shell, and sardines in water.
Once in a while she gets a 1 lb. green lamb tripe block for breakfast.

PM meals - Turkey neck, beef heart, pork shoulder, whole chicken chunks, beef liver, chicken liver, beef kidney, pork neck bones. Everything is cut into chunks and put randomly in to freezer bags, 14 - 16 oz. each.

Treats - Beef marrow bones or pork knuckles/shoulder bones.
 

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Posted below is an example of what Stark eats in a weeks time. Stark is 9 almost 10 months old, 77.6lbs and extremely active. He gets about 2lbs of meat, bone and organ per day.

Monday

RBM(1lbs): Turkey neck

MM(14.4ounces): Ground beef

OM(1.6ounces):Chicken liver

Tuesday

RBM(1lbs): Chicken backs

MM(14.4ounces): Ground lamb

OM(1.6ounces): Beef liver

Wednesday

RBM(1lbs): Whole fish - Talipia

MM(14.4ounces): Chicken gizzards and turkey hearts

OM(1.6ounces): Chicken liver

Thursday


RBM(1lbs): Turkey wings

MM(14.4ounces): Pork heart

OM(1.6ounces): Beef liver

Friday

RBM(1lbs): Rabbit (whole)

MM(14.4ounces - possibly less dependant on size of rabbit): Chicken breast

OM(1.6ounces - possibly less dependant on size of rabbit): Chicken liver

Saturday

RBM(1lbs): Turkey necks

MM(14.4ounces): venison/deer

OM(1.6ounces): Beef liver

Sunday

RBM(1lbs): Beef neck bones

MM(14.4ounces): Chicken breast

OM(1.6ounces): Chicken liver


I typically feed my MM and OM together and then have my RBM as a seperate meal.

I do add in other meats but this is a "typical" menu plan for a "typical" week.
 

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My two dogs, Zeus & Sweety eat once per day, and usually not the same thing two days in a row.

Foods They Eat:

  • Chicken Back
  • Chicken Neck
  • Chicken Quarters
  • Turkey Back
  • Turkey Neck
  • Turkey Wing
  • Ground Buffalo Tripe
  • Beef Liver, Kidney, Heart (snacks a couple of times a week)
  • Whole Eggs
  • Whole Herring
I think that's most of it. You'll notice that the only bone-less food is the tripe, which is vile stuff, but my dogs love it.

The only supplement they get is Salmon Oil 2 pumps/day.

I also fast my dogs one day per week. They're not crazy about that, but it gives their digestive system a rest, and I think it was Purina that did a study on Dog's eating 15% less calories (not sure if this is the correct #), lived on average 2 years longer than dogs fed more.
 

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I am new to being a raw food diet feeder. I have read that the average daily intake should be 2% of body weight. Is that all meat or is that with rice added? Like I said I'm new so please be patient with me but what are the benefits between raw meat and pan fried without any butter and all the juices go into the meal? We recently started our dog on a raw diet but I did cook up the meat to rare. It does make sense to feed them whole foods instead of all the processed food, how am i sure she is getting all the vitamins she should be getting? Any advise would be very much appreciated. Thank you all.
Dogs can eat 2-4% of their body weight per day, depending on their age and activity level, and it should consist of 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organ. No rice. No grains.
Everything should be RAW, no cooking at all. All of the vitamins,minerals and nutrients a dog needs are in meat, fat, cartilage, sinew, bones, organs, eggs, fish, green tripe, salmon oil, alfalfa/kelp powder, and perhaps veggie puree.

http://www.raw4dogs.com/calculate.htm
http://www.totallyrawdogfood.com/MealCalculator.aspx

Here are two RAW food calculators to figure our how much to feed. Phoebe is eating 3% of her body weight right now, she is 1.5 years old and extremely active.

Keep asking questions, RAW feeders love to help!
 

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Protein source matters. Poultry is low in some minerals like zinc and iron and very low in the Omega 3. Best to feed as much red meat as you can. Half red meat is good. Any, cheap and tough is the very best.

You can use the fish oil made for humans. I trust human grade stuff above pet quality stuff and use it whenever possible.

I forget to feed egg, it is good stuff. Feed to tolerance and start small, maybe dip a bit out of your raw egg before you cook some for breakfast. Max handles an egg every couple days just fine but I forget to put it in.

The whole chicken you buy at the market is not whole prey 80/10/10. It is "Chicken, broilers or fryers, meat and skin and giblets and neck, raw" from the USDA database, 31% bone.
http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/search/
It is missing a whole lot of guts, the head, blood, the feathers, the feet. It is low in zinc, iron and copper at the very least. Feeding extra hearts and gizzards with the whole chicken helps a lot.

Whole prey is a whole furred/feathered animal preferably with blood. Easiest for me to find is whole small mackerel and sardine. The skin has valuable fat, the fur/feather are either fun toys or indigestible 'fiber', blood is high in iron, you get the brain and all sorts of organs you would never find at the grocery store. Just look!
http://web.archive.org/web/20061016171802/www.serve.com/BatonRouge/nutrition/tissue_percentage_of_common_prey.htm

Feeding whole chicken is great, a nice big hard to eat meal. Please use it, just be aware it isn't whole prey!
 

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So since a whole chicken fits the percentages, would a raw diet based almost entirely on whole chickens work? I bought a whole young chicken and it took Lexi about a week to eat it. This was a while back, she would have about 14oz a day.

The thing with raw is I feel it's not the complete diet(that is if all I'm feeding is chicken)? Does protein source matter? I also throw in the occasional egg, how much egg is suggested tho? As far as salmon/fish oil, can I just get the ones that come in capsules for humans?
A RAW diet based entirely on whole chicken is almost the right idea and it's a great place to start for the first couple weeks, but you will need to add other protein sources several times a week. You will want to include meals of turkey, beef, pork, duck, lamb, fish, and green tripe 2, 3, 4, or 5 times a week. A 14 oz. meal of a chicken leg, a piece of turkey neck, a chunk of beef heart, and a chicken liver would be good. If about half of the total diet was chicken, with the rest being a rotation of organ meat and other animals, that would be fine.

Raw egg is fine 2 or 3 times a week, and if you can't find wild salmon oil in a bottle, perhaps just canned sardines (in water) would provide enough omega 3. Try and get ones with as little salt as possible.
 

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eta:

Right now they get Chicken (whole cut up)
--next week we hope to start Turkey
 
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