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This is our menu as of right now and I must give a shout out to RawFedDogs for converting me over to this diet just from reading his posts and the links he has supplied previously to others.

Boots has been on this menu (Started out with just Chicken) for about 5 weeks now and she's doing amazing. I'd never go back to kibble now.

To also add, she never had any digestive issues. Her stools have remained constant with organs having been on the menu for 2 weeks now.

Monday AM - A whole Chicken Back (Sometimes Turkey with ground bone)
Monday PM - Venison/Beef/Buffalo/Duck

Tuesday AM - A whole Chicken Back
Tuesday PM - Venison/Beef/Buffalo/Duck

Wednesday AM - A whole Chicken Back (Sometimes Turkey with ground bone)
Wednesday PM - Venison along with Beef Liver, Beef Heart, Chicken Gizzards, Kidney

Thursday AM - A whole Chicken Back
Thursday PM - Venison/Beef/Buffalo/Duck

Friday AM - A whole Chicken Back (Sometimes Turkey with ground bone)
Friday PM - Venison/Beef/Buffalo/Duck

Saturday AM - A whole Chicken Back
Saturday PM - 2 Cans of raw Salmon, 1 can of Green Tripe, Beef Liver, Beef Heart

Sunday AM - A whole Chicken Back
Sunday PM - Venison/Beef/Buffalo/Duck
 

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We obtain our meat from Totally Raw Dog Food locally. They now produce whole critters ground up - beef, lamb, chicken, pork, etc. We purchase great quantities of this whole ground meat then add in a variety of veggies and some eggs, mix it all up in our laundry sink and put it in containers. Then we freeze it and portion it out daily.

With two min pins, they don't eat much - one a bit under a tablespoon twice a day, one a bit more than a tablespoon twice a day but that's going up very quicky with Titan here.

They all get a chicken wing every day and fish oil at least once a week. They get a kelp mixture here and there as well.

It's not a huge variety but it works well for us. I'd love to feed tripe but I just cannot tolerate the smell - and it smells up the entire freezer. Ugh.

The reason they are not fed whole food as opposed to ground food is it's too hard to ensure they get a proper balance of bone and meat, etc., when feeding such small quantities. We tried that for awhile but it wasn't practical.

They also get a recreational bone once or twice a week as well that lasts for a few days.
 

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Our menu varies so greatly from week to week! She gets a ton of different things, I like to buy from prey4pets to get some of this more exotic stuff. On the weeks my paycheck is a bit low, I use grocery store meat :)

Exotic Menu: beef heart, tongue. whole chicks feathers and all (sadie goes NUTS over these), chicken backs and necks, 2 lb whole rabbit over a few days with organs. Quail. turkey drumsticks. Lots of random rmbs from various animals.

Grocery Week: chicken breast, drumsticks, wings, feet, liver. Turkey neck. Duck Leg. Cornish game hen, Pork, beef. Tonight I actually found pig's feet - but she seems to be uninterested in these, we might not get them again.

ETA: The cats mostly get turkey breast, wing, drumsticks and frozen mice/rats. They also like pork and beef.
 

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I feed all 3 of my dogs for free.... :) (except for the occasional chicken leg quarters that I get at SuperWalmart for VERY cheap).

Anyways, I feed a whole prey model diet and my dogs do GREAT on it. I believe dogs are carnivores so I feed them accordingly. I don't measure anything anymore so it's all approximate. They get aprx 80% meat, 10% bone, and 10% organ.

They eat twice a day. Usually they get bone every other day, sometimes less. Their boneless meal which consists of either beef, pork, boneless chicken, boneless turkey, rabbit, and TONS of venison. Their bone-in meals consists of things such as chicken leg quarters, rabbit, pork ribs, turkey, etc. I sometimes give them fish oil pills but lately they haven't gotten any because they are eating a lot of venison lately and wild game eats enough grass in their diet that the dogs are getting enough Omega 3's from that already.

My female boxer weighs aprx 72 pounds and she eat aprx 1.75 pounds of food per day. My male boxer weighs aprx 66 pounds (and still growing) and eats aprx 2 pounds per day.....though that might get upped soon because he's looking too skinny). My male pitbull weighs aprx 58 pounds and eats aprx 1.75 pounds per day.
 

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Could everyone post their dogs weight and how much of each they feed? That would be very helpful to someone just getting started like me...LOL
 

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Rule of thumb for raw feediing...

2-5% of correct body weight for your dog, daily, preferably divided into two meals.
Puppies can consume up to 10% of their current body weight, watch for weight gains/losses and ask vet to assess at regular visits

60 pound young adult / older pup...I'd start out around 4% and adjust from there...so...

60 pounds x 16 = 960 ounces
960 ounces x 0.04 (4%) = 38.4 ounces per day (preferably divide into two meals)
(32 ounces would be 2 pounds so I owuld feed about 1-1/4 pounds per meal x 2 daily)

or

60 pounds x 0.04 (4%) = 2.4 pounds daily or 1.2 pounds per meal x2 daily

I tend to do it in ounces because I have toy breeds and they only get a few ounces per day. Hopefully showing the calculation both ways will help everyone.
 

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This is what Max is getting this month.

Brought home 1 pound pork liver, 1 pound pork kidney, 9 pounds pork shoulder, 1.6 pounds chicken feet, 1 pounds chicken gizzards, 8 pounds chicken thighs, 1.7 pounds Indian Mackerel.

#1 Chicken thigh+pork liver OR pork kidney
#2 chicken foot+Indian mackerel [small oily fish]+chicken gizzards OR pork shoulder+pork liver OR pork kidney
#3 meaty pork shoulder bone+pork liver OR pork kidney.

He gets 10 ounce meals fed once a day. The cost was $23 for the month. I never find chicken feet or gizzards for $1.10 a pound so had to use them.

Still obsessed with daily balancing of meals. Was brave enough to fit raw fish into the diet finally! It really works better for my tiny freezer to make up the baggies and feed this way. The 30 meals fit in about 1/2 one freezer shelf. The big bone days are great once a week so I can give the cooked food dog a chew bone so both dogs are busy at the same time. Maybe 1/4 of the meals are packed light so I can add a bit of the ripe steak I found for $1.60 or a whole raw egg. Last month I also would put some fish in those light meals.

Part of my fear of fish is the cost. Finally accepted that it is like organ. It may cost more per pound but it is a smaller part of the diet. Not positive I figured it correctly but am thinking 2 ounces of this oily fish are all the omega 3 he needs per day. He loves it so far, tail and all.
 

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Phoebe is about 50 lbs and 10 months old, so she gets about 12 oz. twice a day. When she's a year old it will go down to 8 oz. twice a day.

Monday am: Buddies Butcher Block (ground beef/chicken backs/bone meal/veggie mix) with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil.
Monday pm: Whole chicken back and neck. Beef Marrow bone.
Tuesday am: Bucther Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil and and egg yolk.
Tuesday pm: Ground beef and organ mix.
Wednesday am: Butcher Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil.
Wednesday pm: Ground turkey and organ blend. Beef marrow bone.
Thursday am: Bucther Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil and and egg yolk.
Thursday pm: Ground lamb and organ blend.
Friday am: Bucther Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil.
Friday pm: Ground duck. Beef marrow bone.
Saturday am: Bucther Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil and and egg yolk.
Saturday pm: Turkey necks.
Sunday am: Bucther Block with kelp/alphalfa powder and salmon oil.
Sunday pm: Green lamb tripe, smelly!

It varies quite a bit, but this is an approxomate average week. I'm going to be adding whole turkey quarters, chicken quarters, whole pork neck bones, whole beef hearts, and whole chicken and turkey organs, and take away the prepared ground blends.
 

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i just wanted to put my meal on here for my dog to see what everyone thought about it if i was possible missing something beneficial for my dog. basically he just gets a turkey neck in the morning and ground chicken backs with puree spinach, carrots, and a little apple with 3 squirts of grizzly salmon oil. have been on raw for about 3 to 4 weeks now. my dog started to shy away from an organ mixture from my butcher so i went to just straight chicken and turkey. any suggestions would be appreciated.
 

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You can't do without the organs so you have to find a way that your dog will accept them. Some dogs will eat the organs if they are little frozen chunks, especially liver. And you should be always including liver as one of your organs since it provides incredible amounts of vitamins A & D. Heart meat is good for the amino acid taurine. Vets are finding that dogs are suffering from the same problems that was discovered in cats a while back, when deficient in taurine. It can lead to heart problems and blindness. So taurine is important. Chicken backs and necks are way too much bone and not enough meat, unbalanced calcium : phosphorus ratio.
 

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I see that many of you feed chicken bones to your dogs. I've read from multiple sources this week that chicken bone tends to splinter and can shred the esophagus of your dog. Is this true? It can't be too dangerous if you do it a few times a week.
 

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Max tried to swallow his chicken back whole today. After getting it back up to his teeth he chomped it up better and swallowed. No throat shredding.

This month his menu included beef tongue, heart, kidney and liver, Indian Mackerel and sardines with chicken bony cuts like that back, neck and wings and beef green tripe. A meal consisted of 2-4 ounces of bony chicken or 1/2 mackerel or whole sardine, 5-6 ounces of beef heart or tongue and 1 ounce of beef liver or kidney. Then 1 ounce of green tripe for dessert.
 

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Okay - bear with me and please tweak..

I am only on week 2 so I'm still just feeding chicken parts as of right now
AM - is chicken necks
- which im hoping to change to backs or something a little larger.. now that they are getting used to them. they don't chew them as well

PM - some form of chicken and bone at the moment I alternate between thighs, breasts (quartered or split) and drumsticks. I'm hoping my wholesaler will have better prices on whole chickens for me soon so I can get those and quarter them up so they get everything they need.. plus the drumsticks are a little scary since they both have this burning desire to swallow them.. not to chew them... I also just bought pork shoulder and was going to introduce that as the next protein

BUT once they get a bit more established

I plan to offer
AM Chicken back/neck 3 times per week
AM turkey neck 2 time per week
then what ever is on sale..

PM: Chicken/ turkey parts 3 times per week
PM: Beef or bison rib rack with extra meat 1 per week
PM: pork shoulder or rib rack, etc 1 per week
PM: Duck or Rabbit 1 per week (have to look into prices a hair more)
PM: fish mackerel or any fish but salmon (that is the only one to really avoid right?) 1 time per week

I plan to offer raw egg once per week and vary which animal organs I use per week at the moment I got the gizzard and such mix from a chicken.. I will introduce that with a meaty meal in a small portion later this week.

Chicken and Pork are so far the cheapest meats in my area costing .89 - .98 per lb. the beef rack I found for 1.59 plb.... But I am going to work with a restaurant wholesaler and see if the butcher I stopped by the other night has better deals. I will be feeding more of the cheaper cuts primarily until I get all my sources figured out!

Feel free to tweak and educate me as you see necessary
 

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Just a couple of thinks Shortstack. I haven't been feeding raw long, but it looks too me that your menu is way to bone heavy. Chicken backs and necks are around 40-50% bone. Turkey necks are as well. And your adding more bone in your PM meals. This is going to make your dogs very constipated. I'm guessing you will average 35% bone a week, and it needs to around 10-15%.

Keep in mind that even canned salmon, sardines, and mackerel have bones. I would add in some pure muscle meat meals. The gizzards could be used as a boneless meal sense they are considered a muscle meat not a organ. You can also use heart, beef brisket, groung beef, ground turkey, ground pork, and pork shoulder. I have even heard of people buying turkey legs and removing the meat from the bone for a muscle meal.
 

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thanks dob - i have been re evaluating that original menu.. as the bone content is way heavy.. i now use mostly whole chickens cut into meals, and then will add split breast meats.. I plan to get more drum sticks and cut the meat off to add meat, and use gizzards..

Pork shoulder wont have bone... thank you for all the suggestions and I am actually getting more meat to serve with the bone in meals tomorrow!!!

so now it will be
whole chickens with added meat - 3 times a week
pork shoulder (no bone) once per week
beef heart once per week(perhaps ribs the next... not sure yet.. or some other beef cut)
misc meat (rabbit duck...) 1 per week
fish once per week

does that sound more meaty than the last menu?
 

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Nicely meaty. Add in your organ meat when it is a bone day !Gizzards are good stuff, my dogs love them.

Some pork shoulder has the actual shoulder blade. They are edible for my dog. He won't eat the leg bone though. If you have the room cut and use about half the meat of those pork roasts now and put the bone part back in the freezer. Then you will have nice large long lasting semi gorge meals for later when your dogs are doing well on a daily meal.

ANY cheap beef is fine. I prefer boneless to bone in and lean to fatty and chewy to tender. I like the way he chews up beef shank, tongue and heart to the more tender chuck and sirloin.
 

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Add in your organ meat when it is a bone day
Can you tell me what you mean by "bone day"? I assume you don't give bones every day? How often, then?
 
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