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Having moved back to San Diego, I now have a tiny freezer and not a giant one so the menu has been more limited until I get through more llama and have room for variety. We also move in a few months and I am getting a freezer for meat. The past few weeks:

Chicken quarters
Turkey neck
Llama neck chunk
Llama ribs
Llama liver
Llama lung
Llama heart
Beef heart
Egg x2/week

Also in freezer but haven't fed yet:
Pork arm roast bought the other day
"Llama tummy and poop"
"Llama ewwww wiggly bloody" (I think pancreas)
Llama spleen

We tried salmon when hub bought some for dinner but she was not a fan. She picked at a small piece a little but seemed very unsure. My husband handed her the skin with a little meat on it. She took it in her mouth and went chomp-chomp-FREEZE and mid chomp looked up at him like "Um, EWWW!! That was a mean trick!" And then dropped the skin in my hand. I encouraged her to eat some and she did but really didn't seem to like it. Tilapia was a fail too, maybe she's like me and hates fish!
 

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Max has had
Chicken, emu and venison bony bits this week.
Pork, beef trim and ostrich trim for meat.
Chicken liver, beef organ mix and goat/sardine organ mix for organs.
 

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bubba and malia have had:

pork picnic roast
pork ribs
mackerel
sardines
egg yolk, not the white
tripe
beef
lamb
chicken drumsticks
venison heart
emu oil
 

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I have some stupid questions....

I am transitioning my 5 month old puppy (30 pounds now with an expected adult weight of 60)

He has been on chicken only today and yesterday.

Today he ate two chicken thighs (bone in), one chicken drumstick (bone in) and about 1/2 a pound of ground chicken.... Is this enough???
I feel like its a lot of food but IDK, my pup is very lean/active (always has been, when I was feeding kibble I always overfed)

Also he has only had one bowel movement today (it was this morning) and was normal (smaller/darker but firm)
Should I be concerned about that or is this a good thing?
 

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Best to weigh the food. An adult 60 pound dog would eat 1.2 pounds of meat/bone and eventually organ a day on average.

Poop sounds good but don't get cocky and feed more or move to another protein or even give the usual treats yet. Raw fed poop can be super dinky. Max is 38 pounds and his poop has been about the size of my thumb or smaller for a couple weeks since he has been on fairly even sized meals for a while now. On chicken only poop will get fairly yellow and too firm in time, then you know he is used to the diet and you can start substituting chicken for the next protein.
 

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Thanks



For treats is dried liver a good option or is there something else that kind of goes along with the diet.

And for whatever mod that edited the link in my signature it has been already approved by the admin
 

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For treats is dried liver a good option or is there something else that kind of goes along with the diet.

And for whatever mod that edited the link in my signature it has been already approved by the admin
i might hold off on the liver treats....for now....until he is fully transitioned to all of the proteins and organs he'll need.

he also looks like he could handle bone in chicken and not minced chicken.....i'd give him quarters and backs....in the beginning whilst he is transitioning, you might keep it a little bone heavy....to keep the stools stable....but only in the beginning....

can you give him dehydrated chicken?
 

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For treats is dried liver a good option or is there something else that kind of goes along with the diet.
I find that hot dogs are great treats when cut up into little pieces. They are really cheap too! Personally a fan of Bar S brand Turkey dogs.
 

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we use treats a lot because we are training for SchH (so we train about 10 hours a week and use a lot of treats lol)

I have been using hot dogs but I didn't know if that would go against the diet or not?
But maybe because he is used to them I will just keep using them until we build up to more proteins

I thought I was being too heavy with the bone, but it makes sense when starting out, he also tends to swallow the bones whole (which I know is ok but difficult for me to watch lol)
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we use treats a lot because we are training for SchH (so we train about 10 hours a week and use a lot of treats lol)

I have been using hot dogs but I didn't know if that would go against the diet or not?
But maybe because he is used to them I will just keep using them until we build up to more proteins

I thought I was being too heavy with the bone, but it makes sense when starting out, he also tends to swallow the bones whole (which I know is ok but difficult for me to watch lol)
Thanks
when a dog is transitioning to raw, their entire system goes through changes...my only concern with hot dogs is all the processing they go through and how it will affect your dog in the short and long run.....dehydrated chicken to me is in line with what you're doing and allows your dog's body to make the chemical and physiological changes it needs to make to transition....

as to swallowing bones whole....that's not quite what we want, even though many dogs do it.....it tells me your dog needs bigger bones, which means i would be giving him backs or leg quarters.....so that he learns to gnaw and crunch...a drumstick, apparently, is too small for him.....i can see from his little face that he's got a set of teeth on him : )
 

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If you want to stick to raw for treats too, then using something like a refillable tube and fill it with something ground might be an idea. I like using tubes, I have never used refillable ones though. They are easy to use, when you want to give the dog a treat, just squeeze it a bit and let the dog lick it up.

I found these when I googled, I don't know if they are any good though: http://www.rei.com/product/696007/coghlans-squeeze-tubes-package-of-2

Here is a picture of how you can use it: http://www.vildatassar.se/pastej.jpg
(Not my picture, but the dog is the same breed as my dog, lol)
The tube in the picture is a liver pate that you could buy here in Sweden, and it was very popular to use for dog training. The same thing could be done using a refillable tube.
 

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what a great idea.....because teaching treadmill....takes many many treats.....especially with my two...that would be perfect. thank you bumblegoat. i am going to order them and try them.

i could probably take chicken and cuisinart it and use that....even if i cooked it, it would be okay. i'm thinking liver might give them the runs, considering how much bubba is a scaredy cat....
 

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Really? Which admin was that?
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ETA you could have probably just IM me to ask but.....

Thanks everyone for the great advice, I will get some larger bone in chicken and I am going to check out the treat options.
Now I just have to break the news to my vet and see if he fires me lol
 

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This past week Max has had
venison ribs
venison neck slice
beef organ mix [cheek/heart/tongue/spleen/liver/kidney]
pork leg meat
 

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that's a nice mix, kathyy.....the beef organ mix..

this week, malia and bubba got:

goat
lamb ribs
beef
chicken drumsticks
pork picnic roast
venison heart
 

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So, we started on a raw diet a few month ago. We started with chicken with the ground bone. This month we slowly added:
fish with all the bones/guts - both cat and dog go nuts about it
ground beef - love it
cow heart/kidney
ground vegetables (pumpkin, carrots, broccoli)
eggs with crushed eggshells.

For bones I add chicken necks cut in pieces. I am trying to move them to bigger bones.
Now, my question. I would like to give them chicken drumsticks.

Is the hollow bone inside drumstick safe?

Are the fish bones safe?

Is crushing egg shells by hand OK or should I ground them?
 

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So, we started on a raw diet a few month ago. We started with chicken with the ground bone. This month we slowly added:
fish with all the bones/guts - both cat and dog go nuts about it
ground beef - love it
cow heart/kidney
ground vegetables (pumpkin, carrots, broccoli)
eggs with crushed eggshells.

For bones I add chicken necks cut in pieces. I am trying to move them to bigger bones.
Now, my question. I would like to give them chicken drumsticks.

Is the hollow bone inside drumstick safe?

Are the fish bones safe?

Is crushing egg shells by hand OK or should I ground them?
hi and welcome to the world of raw...

i'm a prey model feeder, so i won't comment on the veggies and fruits you've added, only to say that maybe you could research what sugar does to dogs....

as to bones...

my dogs started on chicken backs, graduated to chicken breasts, then turkey necks...and i never ground anything....as they progressed from protein to protein....

they need to learn how to eat and digest bone and if you do all the work for them, they can't learn and strengthen their teeth, gums, mouths, jaws, necks or their digestive systems which has enough acid to burn through your couch.....

try not to be afraid and give them a drumstick since they seem to have stable poops...bones in chicken and goat and lamb and llama and other not too heavy animals are nice and soft, so you don't have to grind it......

and then give them some chicken....

fish is great, especially given whole...the bones are so soft when they are not cooked...

it's cooking that makes bones brittle and that goes for any bone.

you're ready to introduce another protein, such as turkey or pork....pork and pork ribs are wonderful...and the bones are very easily digestible...


just stay away from weight bearing bones, such as cow legs.....and all that that entails....

in a month or so, you can start giving them a little tiny piece of liver to start them getting used to it....about five per cent of their overal diet will be liver from some animal or lots of animals....

our dogs don't much care for liver, so we cut them into daily portions and give them as frozen treats after their morning walk...they get liver and kidney.....
 

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Thank you for replying MagicRe :). It is my goal to not grind anything and this is why I am adding the whole bone. They already have chicken liver in their diet although they are not crazy about it :). I do not add any fruits and not planning to as of today. The pork ribs are wonderful idea. Thank you.
 
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