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My akita is 8 weeks.
right so here what i do tell me what im doing wrong please.

i feed him every 3 hours, 9,12,3,6 with water. access to water between these times is off limits and he is fed outside. Should i feed him inside?

whenn he pee's inside i shout NO, and giv him a little slap on the bum and take him outside. Sometimes i just leave him out and come in to clean up

When he does pee outside i praise him "good boy" and strokes.

he has a Pen in the kitchen( which he is only aloud acess to the kitchen n garden), baby gate in living room, french doors to a fenced garden.

I have news papers in the playpen, its octagon shaped and is a childs play pen, When he pee's on the newspapers i normally dont tell him off n send him outside, Should i?

Should i leave doors open or closed?

Should i bring him straight back in if he doesnt Pee outsiude when i take him he mostly doesnt just starts to play?

is him peein inside an excuse to go play outside?

cos like when i bring him in after hes been outside he straight away pee's im like come on man you've been out all that time its just tight.

So please answer my questions ive done lots n lots of research and i must be doing something wrong as people are saying on forums that it only takes them a week to see a difference, ive been at it a week now.

I sometimes stay at home all day sit in the kitchen with laptop and watch him like a hawk whilst all the family goes out.
 

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My akita is 8 weeks.
right so here what i do tell me what im doing wrong please.

i feed him every 3 hours, 9,12,3,6 with water. access to water between these times is off limits and he is fed outside. Should i feed him inside?

whenn he pee's inside i shout NO, and give him a little slap on the bum and take him outside. Sometimes i just leave him out and come in to clean up

When he does pee outside i praise him "good boy" and strokes.

he has a Pen in the kitchen( which he is only aloud access to the kitchen n garden), baby gate in living room, french doors to a fenced garden.

I have news papers in the playpen, its octagon shaped and is a childs play pen, When he pee's on the newspapers i normally dont tell him off n send him outside, Should i?

Should i leave doors open or closed?

Should i bring him straight back in if he doesnt Pee outsiude when i take him he mostly doesnt just starts to play?

is him peein inside an excuse to go play outside?

cos like when i bring him in after hes been outside he straight away pee's im like come on man you've been out all that time its just tight.

So please answer my questions ive done lots n lots of research and i must be doing something wrong as people are saying on forums that it only takes them a week to see a difference, ive been at it a week now.

I sometimes stay at home all day sit in the kitchen with laptop and watch him like a hawk whilst all the family goes out.

If you hit the puppy, and yell at him, for peeing inside, he's not going to associate it with inside. He is going to associate it with peeing. The result of that is going to be him trying to hide his peeing. That's setting you up for a housebreaking nightmare.

He is 8 weeks old. He has no bladder control. He is going to pee in your house if given a half chance. To avoid this chat you need to either have your eyes on him, or he needs to be in a crate. Not an X-pen, but a crate small enough for him to do nothing more than stand up, turn around and lie down. He is going to need to pee at LEAST once an hour, often as much as every 15 minutes, and every 3 at night. When he goes outside, praise him. If he doesn't go outside - stay OUT LONGER. Expecting him to be housebroken is like expecting a 6 month old baby to be toilet trained. He does not have the physical control to hold it!

To reiterate: Watch your puppy, take him out often, there is NO reason for him to ever be out of your eyesight at this age, unless he's in an appropriately sized crate, and for the love of all that is holy do not tell your puppy off, yell at him, or even lightly strike him for anything - much less using the bathroom. Especially not using the bathroom, if you expect him to be housebroken in the next 5 years.
 

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What breed is your puppy? At 8 weeks, Dita could hold for 2-3 hours during the day, and around 5 at night, but she is a very large breed, and has a correspondingly large bladder!! Smaller the dog, younger the dog, the more often they are going to need to go pee.

It sounds like you aren't really training him WHEN to pee, just telling off for inside and praising for outside. It IS important to praise outside, but that isn't the only thing!

First off - take away those papers!!! Training a dog to pee on something inside isn't going to help you at all. If you aren't with him and watching him, he should be in his crate - dogs hate to pee where they sleep, and will usually hold it in a crate (unless, obviously, you are being unreasonable and leaving him in there for hours at a time).

- You are doing the right thing with timed feeding and limiting water access. Now you need to do as much timing for when it comes out as when it goes in! When you think that it is about time to go pee, take him outside. Right now, you should be starting with taking him out every 1-2 hours - use your common sense. If he is peeing in the house every hour, start with going out every hour. Don't let him walk, start playing, etc etc. Take him out to his "spot" (an area that you have designated for peeing - about 2-3ft sq is enough - too specific, and that is too much pressure, too big, and you lose the point of the "spot") and give a command - "go pee" or similar. Then wait for 15 minutes. If he pees, give praise! If not, go back inside, wait 15 minutes, and try again. Slowly build up in 5-10 minute increments.

I have found that during training, peeing should be a separate thing from walks/playtime. Figure out how much exercise he will need, when you want to be doing that in future (a schedule that works for you) and just do that schedule right off the bat. This may mean that you are peeing, then going out for a walk 20 mins later. For the time being, just keep pee-time a separate training exercise.

As for what to do when you have an accident in the house - there are differing opinions on how much correction to give, if any. One thing is pretty universally agreed on - shouting, yelling, smacking, etc are not going to work!!! Similarly, if you have been out of the room (well, then he should be in his crate, but still), correction is going to seem really random to the pup. He'll think you are yelling because of whatever is going on NOW. If you catch him in the act, don't ignore it. If you can, pick him up and put him in his spot, but I find this difficult on a practical level - unless he is peeing right next to the door, you end up carrying a spraying puppy all over the house! Personally, I say one, low, firm no, and look unimpressed. Then the pup goes into the bathroom for a few minutes (like a time out) while I clean up. Try not to clean up in front of the pup if you can help it.
 

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When my puppy was eight weeks old we had to take him out no less often than every 30 minutes or he'd pee on the floor. He wasn't doing it to be mischievous or anything, he just didn't know, and didn't know he had to pee, and then OH HEY PEE! If he started to pee we'd grab him quick and run him out the door. If he wasn't in his pen, he was always within grabbing distance. Gradually we were able to extend it to once an hour, then a little more often when we were better able to read his signals until he was nearly 5 months old when he somehow put all the pieces together and started asking whenever he needed to go out. He hasn't had an accident since, and he'll be 6 m/o on Sunday.

And so the lessons I've learned from this are --

* Always be within grabbing distance of your pup. If you aren't watching, you can assume he's peeing somewhere.
* Never yell at or hit your dog for pottying on the floor. He's a baby. He doesn't know better, and he's just going to get scared of you.
* Always always always go out with your pup, go right to the potty spot, and say whatever command you're using. When the pee starts flowing, happy voice! praise praise! and treat immediately when finished (do this too soon and the pup will stop peeing because OH BOY TREAT)
* Figure out how often your pup is going, and bring him out more often than that.
 

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All of the above, never hit puppies for pottying. Only say no when you catch them in the act. My pup peed in the house all the time, he would pee and then go off and pee somewhere else. He got better every week and after 3 months, he is fully trained, no more accidents.
 

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For housetraining puppies I use rolled up newspaper. This is how I use it.

Roll up around 8 to 10 sheets into a tight tube. Hold it in your hand and lift this up above your head so the newspaper is behind your head. Now flick your wrist so the newspaper hits the back of your head repeatedly and say " I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack). After a while we humans learn to watch the dog.

On a serious note - your pup will probably continue having "accidents" for several months. Do not under any circumstances hit your dog or rub his nose in it. Pups will pee and poop immediately after waking and after eating but do not have any sort of control so will suddenly stop playing and start sniffing - pick him up and take him out. Praise for toileting ouside.

Any accidents inside need to be picked up and the spot cleaned with a good enzyme based cleaner.
 

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whenn he pee's inside i shout NO, and giv him a little slap on the bum and take him outside.
As others have noted, this will lead to more housebreaking problems. The dog doesn't understand that the pee is the problem but will come to see you as dangerous and unpredictable. If they do develop an association with peeing and punishment, they can learn to associate peeing near you to be a bad thing, regardless of location.

Also, remember that he's still a puppy and is learning. Expect some accidents and praise for correct behavior, but don't punish for accidents.

I have news papers in the playpen, its octagon shaped and is a childs play pen, When he pee's on the newspapers i normally dont tell him off n send him outside, Should i?
If you want him to only pee outside, then you should shape your training around this. Most dogs will pick up on where you want them to go and will behave accordingly. If you give mixed signals, the dog isn't likely to catch on.

Should i leave doors open or closed?

Should i bring him straight back in if he doesnt Pee outsiude when i take him he mostly doesnt just starts to play?
It will work better if you escort the dog outside, preferably on a leash, and use a command word like "pee" or "do-it" to encourage going. Once the pup has done it, release him to play (the positive reward).

is him peein inside an excuse to go play outside?
Dogs don't think this abstractly but they can connect actions to rewards. You could be setting this dynamic up, especially with the paper.


So please answer my questions ive done lots n lots of research and i must be doing something wrong as people are saying on forums that it only takes them a week to see a difference, ive been at it a week now.
It really depends on the dog how quickly they'll learn. As a pup, your dog may take a little longer than a slightly older pup. If you're sending mixed signals or using negative punishment, it can take longer and your success rate will drop.
 

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For housetraining puppies I use rolled up newspaper. This is how I use it.

Roll up around 8 to 10 sheets into a tight tube. Hold it in your hand and lift this up above your head so the newspaper is behind your head. Now flick your wrist so the newspaper hits the back of your head repeatedly and say " I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack). After a while we humans learn to watch the dog.
BAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Brilliant!
 

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I'd also get rid of the newspaper and just have him pee outside. I think letting him pee inside sometimes is confusing.

Our pups were about 8-9 months old before they did not need us to provide potty time for them. If we didn't take them out right after meals, they would have an accident. But I always told my husband it was we who had the accident.

Here's what we did- I set an alarm and got up every hour for the first 48 hours to give our pup a potty break. I gave him treats the first 20 times, then only occassionally after that. They were good treats- itsy bitsy pieces of cheese! After that, he had maybe 10 accidents, all our fault.
 

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For housetraining puppies I use rolled up newspaper. This is how I use it.

Roll up around 8 to 10 sheets into a tight tube. Hold it in your hand and lift this up above your head so the newspaper is behind your head. Now flick your wrist so the newspaper hits the back of your head repeatedly and say " I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack) I WAS NOT WATCHING MY DOG(whack). After a while we humans learn to watch the dog.
This is very true. Every accident my pup has is my not watching her.
 
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