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If she gets any bigger I think she'll explode. According the vet, we should only have a week to go, at the most.







Yes, that last picture is my puppy birthing station... I feel like a nervous mom-to-be!
 

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Look at that belleh! I haven't followed this super closely but did the vet give an estimate on how many there could be in there?

I saw a pic of a papillon dam with 4 pups inside her and she too looked like she was going to burst. Multiple pup fetuses wiggling around and kicking their organs can't be comfortable!
 

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Look at that belleh! I haven't followed this super closely but did the vet give an estimate on how many there could be in there?

I saw a pic of a papillon dam with 4 pups inside her and she too looked like she was going to burst. Multiple pup fetuses wiggling around and kicking their organs can't be comfortable!
The vet didn't take an x-ray, as he said it wasn't "neccesary"... when I left, it dawned on me that it was a bonehead move for me to not demand one, since I need to know how many pups are coming so I can make sure all things are going okay during the delivery. She was so stressed out about the visit that I am hesitant to take her back. She's just now gotten used to me, but she still freaks out when I try to pick her up, and she won't walk on a leash. But for my peace of mind and her safety, I think I will take her back tomorrow and have one done.

I bought enough ribbon for six, but she looks like she could have 20. I think my hubby is hoping for one... haha, we'll see!

Mostly I'm excited to see what they look like. Have no idea what dog(s) she mated with... I have a feeling I'm going to get a mixed bag of unidentifiable mutt pups, who will no doubt be cute as can be.
 

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Having a little bit of a panic attack at the moment. The vet gave me a calcium supplement to give Gypsy twice a day, but while reading another website about whelping I saw where it said to NOT give a pregnant dog calcium until labor begins or after the puppies are born. WTF? Also read that I'm not supposed to be feeding her puppy food, but again that is what the vet told me.

Meanwhile, I think I saw something that looked like a string of spit come out of Gypsy's lady bits when we had our evening pee break. Her vulva doesn't look like any of the vulvas I've seen in the articles I've read, maybe because she's older and has probably had a few litters before? She has a little triangle flap of skin protruding, and has since the first day I got her. Vet said it was just her vulva... God, I hope I never have to type that word again.
 

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All my brood bitches get puppy food, with various other mix ins. I don't give calcium supplements though. Too much calcium can cause problems in pregnant bitches. I do make a gruel of things that have calcium in them mixed in puppy food and give that to them while they are feeding puppies.

The only food/supplement my girls get during whelping is nutrical and that is only if they need it.
 

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Lol it's just a vulva. :p Perfectly natural. Or maybe I'm desensitized from years of biology studies. I don't know if it's the same with dogs, but human vulva have huge variation in how they can look.

Get a second opinion from another vet maybe. It would be nice if an experienced breeder could weigh in on this too.

How much stuff came out of her? It's not green, right? It might just be discharge. From what little I know of birth, she could also be leaking amniotic fluid as well as discharge if she is getting close to giving birth. Check for wet spots around where you're keeping her, and in her bed.
 

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Lol it's just a vulva. :p Perfectly natural. Or maybe I'm desensitized from years of biology studies. I don't know if it's the same with dogs, but human vulva have huge variation in how they can look.

Get a second opinion from another vet maybe. It would be nice if an experienced breeder could weigh in on this too.

How much stuff came out of her? It's not green, right? It might just be discharge. From what little I know of birth, she could also be leaking amniotic fluid as well as discharge if she is getting close to giving birth. Check for wet spots around where you're keeping her, and in her bed.
It was clear. Maybe just discharge. She leaves nipple leakage everywhere she lays... just little white smudges. But jeez, her nipples are the size of AK47 bullets, so it's to be expected. I did see movement in her tummy for the first time. You can hear her breathe, possibly a symptom of the HW+, and so I can tell when her tummy is moving from her breathing, her whole middle will shift. But after a breath, I saw a movement under her skin that looked like something out of aliens... like something trying to break out. It was very brief, but I've seen it twice in the past hour. She's not panting or fidgety yet. I keep hearing her stomach gurgle and I let her out, but she only peed. trust me, I was out on my patio with a towel in hand, ready to catch a wayward puppy that came out with a poop, but no such luck.

All my brood bitches get puppy food, with various other mix ins. I don't give calcium supplements though. Too much calcium can cause problems in pregnant bitches. I do make a gruel of things that have calcium in them mixed in puppy food and give that to them while they are feeding puppies.

The only food/supplement my girls get during whelping is nutrical and that is only if they need it.
I'm not sure she's whelping yet. No physical signs, her behavior hasn't changed, but I still can't get a temp on her. Increased belly movement, but that's about it. I hope I haven't caused any problems with those calcium supplements I've been giving her. I can give her some of Panda's Blue Buffalo tomorrow instead of the Nutro Ultra Puppy food. She'll eat practically anything. I'm guessing I can find Nutracal at Petsmart? What's crazy is that when I went in there to get the other stuff I already have, I asked one of the store associates what I might need since I am a puppy whelping virgin. He kinda acted like I was making a big deal out of notihing, like it was ridiculous to want to buy things in case something went wrong. I'm tired of hearing people say "Dogs have puppies in the wild all the time." Uh huh, and who knows how many of them live? Not to mention, i care about Gypsy's health too. And people have been having babies for thousands of years, but it's still nice to be in a hospital and have doctors, right? Ugh.
 

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Yeah most pet store workers probably know diddly squat about proper puppy raising/whelping. Yes I believe you can get nutrical at petsmart, but I am not 100% sure about that.
 

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Yeah most pet store workers probably know diddly squat about proper puppy raising/whelping. Yes I believe you can get nutrical at petsmart, but I am not 100% sure about that.
I'll check when I go on my hunt for hemostats tomorrow. Thanks for the info!
 

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If they don't have it in the dog section (they should) check the ferret section. It might be called Ferret-Vite or whatever, but it's the same stuff. It's fairly necessary for ferrets because so many of them get insulinoma when they get older.
 

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You sure she's actually got puppies in there and not an alien?

And people have been having babies for thousands of years, but it's still nice to be in a hospital and have doctors, right? Ugh.
If I ever give birth I don't want it to be in a hospital. >.> That's how I feel anyway. The only way I'd agree to go to a hospital is if life was in danger.
 

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If I ever give birth I don't want it to be in a hospital. >.> That's how I feel anyway. The only way I'd agree to go to a hospital is if life was in danger.
Me, too. A germy hospital is no place for a healthy baby, and I don't want a lot of unnecessary interventions. If I ever get pregnant (big if), I'd want a home birth. Or, if I HAD to have a doctor around, a birthing center. But only if the doctor promised to respect my choices. Fortunately they just legalized midwives in this state, so I wouldn't just have to have my husband or my mom catching (I know a few women who did that because they couldn't find a midwife willling to do it illegally).

Anway, back to PUPPIES!! I know when Sonja had her kittens (she was a pregnant stray I picked up), the last few days the kittens were really kicking around in there! So hopefully they'll be here soon :biggrin1:.
 

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I have always heard that giving a pregnant female calcium while they are in whelp is not good for them so have never done that with any females I have had. I did have one female that had eclampsia before I got her which I did not find out till after I had bred her so I did give her calcium AFTER she whelped, the Vet recommended one Tums a day for her. It was such a worry after she whelped that I had her spayed and found her a good pet home even though she had no problems with her litter.
 

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I have always heard that giving a pregnant female calcium while they are in whelp is not good for them so have never done that with any females I have had. I did have one female that had eclampsia before I got her which I did not find out till after I had bred her so I did give her calcium AFTER she whelped, the Vet recommended one Tums a day for her. It was such a worry after she whelped that I had her spayed and found her a good pet home even though she had no problems with her litter.
I'm worried I've caused some kind of problem by giving it to her, but I was following the vet's advice. I'm not giivng her puppy food now, so maybe I'll be able to make up for it a little bit.

And Indigo, lord, I hope it's not an alien. It almost looked like she'd just eaten a slightly smaller dog. She can't possibly get any bigger. We need puppies ASAP. As for the human birth, I'm actually inclined to follow a more holistic approach as well. I think one of our big hospitals here has birthing suites now that allow you to have a natural birth in a tub or however you want, and the suites are designed to look more like a home than a hospital room. I'd still like modern medicine to be close by, even if I elected to go the natural route. My mother had significant problems with me, and I have some complicated medical problems as well that are not even diagnosed yet (I spent quite a lot of time bouncing around from specialists when I'm not being neurotic about the dogs.)
 

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I'd still like modern medicine to be close by, even if I elected to go the natural route.
Yes, this. I've got no problem with doing it mom's way, but home births scare the living **** outta me. I wouldn't be alive if I hadn't been born in a hospital, and a good one at that.
 

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Yes, this. I've got no problem with doing it mom's way, but home births scare the living **** outta me. I wouldn't be alive if I hadn't been born in a hospital, and a good one at that.
Well, I wouldn't say I was born in a good one... good enough, I suppose. Haha, it was the best hospital in Lucedale, MS :)

On the Gypsy front, more of that clear stringy discharge today, but not a lot. I only notice it sometimes when she gets up. If they're not here by Tuesday I'm going to take all of my puppy stuff back, because I'll be convinced she's going to give birth to a full-grown dog. Her belly is so tight that it looks almost painful.

I'm praying to the puppy gods that we have Memorial Day pups.
 

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one thing you might want to have on hand is ice cream (vanilla).....many breeders that i have talked w/ give about a tbsp of ice cream in between each pup....it seems to help w/ contractions and the delivery, making them easier.....
 

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