I never said it was.Again, the dog's breed is NOT justification for the use of this tool.
Quite often, people on this forum, come across that way. Not saying you were. I was talking to the forum as a wholeI haven't read anyone saying they should be outlawed.
That's your opinion, and I agree with the highlighted. How ever, the shock will still cause pain, so it's no different. Your not always pulling on the pinch collar as hard as you can, just has you aren't shocking at the highest setting. Every thing in moderationjiml said:I actually prefer E-collars over pinch and choke collars - they can be used at an exteamly low settings. But I fully understand that they are easaly abused and can still be used to SHOCK the dogs like the old ones did.