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I have a 5 month old German Shepherd (for those who dont know me already from the other thread. :p ) I am working with a trainer to train him to become a guard dog. I have different answers on this and so I wanted to ask a wide audience this question. And yes I am still letting him be a puppy. I am focusing on commands that would better suit us in the future. I am NOT teaching any bite commands or anything with him still a puppy. I know that might be a topic of debate if I dont explain that. I just have a person willing to work with me one on one type of thing.

Would neutering my male dog prevent him from becoming a better guard dog?

I have people who tell me to not do it until he is 2 years old because the sex drive in the dog will make him just a little more aggressive thus allowing him to protect better.

I have the other people telling me how it doesnt matter if you fix them or not, that it is safer to do at 6 months old than 2 years old. The drive of the dog doesnt die just because he is fixed. It all depends on the dog.

Yes, I do have a trainer and they have their opinion on it. I have talked with alternate trainers and they told me something different. Which answer is the correct one?

Hopefully we can get some dog trainers to answer. ;-)

Thank you all!!!!!!!
 

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Personally, I like my boys to grow up (about 18 months-2 years) before neutering. And there's some evidence that neutering a large-breed male before his growth plates close can cause joint problems. If you can keep him from knocking up the ladies, there's no reason to neuter him young. I don't have any experience with aggression/protection, so I don't know if neutering would have any effect.
 

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Thanks Willowy! And thanks to those so far who have voted. This will be a great thread for a google search.

As a side in question to you Willowy or any others that agree with keeping them unfixed for some time. How do you keep them from redesigning the walls with yellow paint? Obviously, its all about catching them in the act, but is there a simple solution that anyone has done. Or do most of ya'll just keep your dogs outside?
 

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I voted depends because I'm not sure what would happen with every dog....what I do know is that growing up with SAR dogs all GSDs...they were all fixed and still were very protective.....they would not allow any one on the property unless my stepmom or my father was outside to greet them....we had many a teenager who liked to cut across our property to get to the local park (at night)...they were promptly "escorted" out:D
 

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One of the most protective dogs I ever owned was a neutered male. I have an intact male here now (for now) that thus far is NOT protective. That can change as he gets a little older.
 

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As a side in question to you Willowy or any others that agree with keeping them unfixed for some time. How do you keep them from redesigning the walls with yellow paint?
There is NO reason an intact male should pee in the house. That's just unacceptable, and you can train him not to do it the same way you potty-train a pup. Lots of people have intact males without having yellow "paint" on the walls :p .

One of the most protective dogs I ever owned was a neutered male. I have an intact male here now (for now) that thus far is NOT protective. That can change as he gets a little older.
Haha, might not ever change. My uncle came over to fix something in the backyard, with all 3 dogs back there (including my Rott), and instead of knocking on the door, he just jumped the fence and started working, and the dogs did NOTHING!!! They barely even barked. And they only met him once before.
 

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There is NO reason an intact male should pee in the house. That's just unacceptable, and you can train him not to do it the same way you potty-train a pup. Lots of people have intact males without having yellow "paint" on the walls :p .
I agree. Leg lifting indoors is more of a housetraining issue, not a being intact issue.
 

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I agree. Leg lifting indoors is more of a housetraining issue, not a being intact issue.
Yeah....intact males might be more inclined to whiz on every tree in the yard, but whizzing inside is not caused by being intact. My grandpa's (intact) Lab used to mark EVERY vertical surface outside, but he never once whizzed inside (once potty-trained).
 

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There is NO reason an intact male should pee in the house. That's just unacceptable, and you can train him not to do it the same way you potty-train a pup. Lots of people have intact males without having yellow "paint" on the walls :p ..
Ha! That's sweet to know. That was a big debate among people I knew that they will spray the house.

Something else Ive learned is hiking the leg seems to be a learned ability. My dog doesnt hike his leg when he goes to the bathroom. Maybe he will when he gets bigger. Currently, he pees just under him standing up. XD
 

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No it won't hurt your dogs ability to train for personal protection.

Yes neutering before 2yrs can be harmful. It is a concerning health issue not protective issue. Also after you neuter the dog at 2yrs they'd then not have the sex drive so I don't understand this idea fully of waiting until 2yrs so they will be protective.

As for marking on walls (or peeing/marking anywhere in the home) it is about house training. My dogs are trained to potty outside, male or female alike, males don't get an exception. I've raised several males in my house, not being outside dogs at all.
 

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Ive always heard to neuter right at 6 months i just got my 10 month old pekingese neutered because my 1 and a half year old yorkie suddenley started getting very aggressive with him. hes having a very hard time its been 7 days and he wont come out of his kennel on his own, my yorkie will be getting fixed asap im hoping this will stop them from fighting in the mean time we have to keep them seperated its exsausting ..so Im not sure if its right or wrong but im kinda skeptical on the whole issue.. My only reason for doing it is so I wont have to get rid of one hope it works
 

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I just wanted to comment on my old thread here in case someone finds it through a google search. To date, my dog is 9 months and 3 weeks old, and Wvasko is correct that it depends on the dog.

There is a bunch of mixed feelings from guys about getting their male dog fixed, but I can tell you that my dog is protective in nature and was fine getting fixed at 6 months old. He still does the alarm barking - barking at a noise, sight, etc. It just really depends how you raise the dog too. Just read almost any new book out there and it will say it doesn't make a difference. Plus it is safer to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
 

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I just wanted to comment on my old thread here in case someone finds it through a google search. To date, my dog is 9 months and 3 weeks old, and Wvasko is correct that it depends on the dog.

There is a bunch of mixed feelings from guys about getting their male dog fixed, but I can tell you that my dog is protective in nature and was fine getting fixed at 6 months old. He still does the alarm barking - barking at a noise, sight, etc. It just really depends how you raise the dog too. Just read almost any new book out there and it will say it doesn't make a difference. Plus it is safer to prevent unwanted pregnancies.
Well thank you, also remember you still are dealing with a puppy so the best is yet to come. I hope you have started some obedience work, with large dogs control is needed down the road and it's time for work to start now. I am also right about this, trust me.
 

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Well thank you, also remember you still are dealing with a puppy so the best is yet to come. I hope you have started some obedience work, with large dogs control is needed down the road and it's time for work to start now. I am also right about this, trust me.
Yeah, I have been doing some obedience work for sure.

It is funny though. I remember we had a conversation way back when which including me saying my dog is a good dog because he follows my side well. You told me that the best is yet to come because he hasn't reached maturity yet. All I have to say to that is . . . :) He sure has tested his boundaries and pushed buttons I never thought he would.

I believe you when you say it is time for work to start now.
 

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Yeah, I have been doing some obedience work for sure.

It is funny though. I remember we had a conversation way back when which including me saying my dog is a good dog because he follows my side well. You told me that the best is yet to come because he hasn't reached maturity yet. All I have to say to that is . . . :) He sure has tested his boundaries and pushed buttons I never thought he would.

I believe you when you say it is time for work to start now.
Well look at it this way when children are young they stay close to their parents etc. So is the life of young pups/dogs they want to stay close to their owners. When the teenage years with children and dogs enter into the picture strange things happen and both reach the stage in life where owners and parents aren't that important anymore. It's a natural way of life.
 
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