so Spicy...as far as "type" is concerned with Pits...
I find it a little weird that they tend to get lumped in with terriers...because they aren't exactly terriers.
I don't think they are Bulldogs in the purest sense...those dogs IMO are gone..
and they aren't earth dogs going to ground after small game...
they definatly aren't molossers...
the best classification I see is "Bull Terrier" but even that's a bit weird..
Pit Bull eh...I don't like that as a classification either... mostly because it has a nasty stigma....
What do you say just curious..?
(ps..it was Storm I was thinking of...But Five is nice too...and I like Ryu even though I wasn't sure if she's Santana's get...and she's very very light..that litter with Twister(i think that's his name...gawd what a beautiful dog..) made some very nice pups.
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They really are an odd dog out, same with a few other breeds.
As for registries UKC has
Guardian, Gun Dog, Companion, Terrier, Herding, Northern, Scenthound and Sighthound.
It seems by name terrier is the only place they will fit. Unless we move them to the companion because of their loss of purpose in the fighting pits. The Dalmatian is here and so are some other terriers.
In AKC the groups are
Sporting
Non Sporting
Working
Hound
Terrier
Toy
Herding
Again terrier fits, but I think working would be a grand place to put them. Because they can and do still work in a number of fields. But by AKC definition they are not a working breed. (along with some other working dogs)
They do have a lot of terrier attributes.
They for sure haven't been used as butchers dogs.
Bull & Terrier is a good definition. I do think simply calling them a working dog in general is ok. People get the idea. They can make effective dogs at doing a terriers work too. There are others in the terrier group which are out of the norm for a terrier. But if they are part terrier or did the job of a terrier that is where they are stuck at.
Breeds of dogs which descended from molossers whether they be mixed with another breed type are often still considered molossers, though it is only be relation. They have some molosser blood in them. Some more then others.
Other then that not much we can go on. I see them as a very versatile breed. One that is a fine working and performance dog.
Many breeds can fit into multi types/groups depending on the classification.
A Kangal is a molosser, a guardian, a working dog, a livestock dog, ect
Yes Twister and Santana did produce nicely together. I like a lot about them. I like the temperament attributes they got from her and the overall structure from both parents. Both Storm and Five are nice dogs in their own way. I really think Five is a nice male, not overdone nor underdone. Storm is fine as well and I think will fill out a little more, she isn't truly lacking substance overall but it seems Santana didn't fully fill out around really around 4yrs old. I think she is going the same route.
Ryu is another of my favorites too. Though she doesn't have the same problem solving skills. Overall she appears to have a solid temperament, tons of drive, good structure, very agile, I can get her to focus and learn. So yes I'm very pleased with her too. She is not of Santana but rather from GR CH Boogieman/CH Butkus breeding.