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My apologies if this belongs in the Health Forum. I thought was an important video and would get more views here. Mods, please move it if I have posted in the wrong place.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_uqBjvy7YI

The video specifically mentions BioSpot and Hartz. There is a brief mention of "alternatives" but the story doesn't elaborate. I wish it had, and I wish it had discussed the "big name" products like Frontline (doesn't contain Permethrin) and K9 Advantix (does contain Permethrin).

My parent's Pom almost died from Hartz flea & tick.

I'd already decided to use Neem and DE for fleas & ticks, so this just reinforces my decision.
 

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The tricky thing about these is it's a little bit of a crap shoot. Hartz and Adams' spotons are definitely bad - they're basically the same poisons as in the Adams' spray- but they stay on the body longer. At the same time, the Adams spray itself is pretty darn safe - it doesn't last long, but it kills lots of fleas and is pretty safe for even tiny pets. (It's what I use on puppy fosters who have fleas, usually). My puppy and adoption contracts specifically require people NOT ot use spot-on products other than Frontline, Advantage, and Revolution. I've used Biospot safely in the past and never had a problem with it, but I've also not found it terribly effective. It's just a poison, unlike Frontline, which contains an IGR.

Wings' seizures started 24 hours after a frontline plus application. But she'd had frontline a few times before and tehre were other factors as well so the timing may well have just been coincidence. I use Revolution now, which is a flea/tick/heartworm product, and I've been happy with it.

DE and Neem are great, but in my experience it takes a lot more care ot make sure you don't bring fleas home with you, and that DE and Neem are not terribly effective at eradicating an actual infestation. (A single flea or two that you picked up at the dog park? Probably not a big deal. A rescue dog seriously infested from the shelter and dosed with Capstar but nothing else? DE and Neem won't do the job.) I think I'd have more faith in them for someone whose dogs did not travel regularly (we've gotten fleas from a motel room, UGH.), whose dogs are not frequently in contact with strange dogs (we've picked them up at a dog show, too, also UGH), and who doesn't do rescue (or at least, doesn't bring home fosters straight from the shelter but gets their fosters from another person who has dosed them twice with capstar 7 days apart or so.)

Natural stuff is great when it works. The thing is, if many of the natural solutions were so effective, we wouldn't have so many commercial things developed that do the same thing.
 

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I think I'd have more faith in them for someone whose dogs did not travel regularly (we've gotten fleas from a motel room, UGH.), whose dogs are not frequently in contact with strange dogs (we've picked them up at a dog show, too, also UGH), and who doesn't do rescue (or at least, doesn't bring home fosters straight from the shelter but gets their fosters from another person who has dosed them twice with capstar 7 days apart or so.)
Sounds like the natural route might work well for me, then. I don't take Luna to many places dogs go on a regular basis, aside from obedience class, and around here the only people who "bother" with obedience class (I say "bother" because the majority of dog owners around here think classes are a waste of time/money :roll:) are those who are serious and dedicated owners who are most likely careful about fleas/ticks. We do plan to do a lot of camping this summer, but there aren't that many dogs and the sites at the campground I frequent are pretty far apart. As far as rescue is concerned, I do plan to adopt a Rottie from a rescue, but this would be a dog that has already been in foster care and likely will be de-infested. :D

Natural stuff is great when it works. The thing is, if many of the natural solutions were so effective, we wouldn't have so many commercial things developed that do the same thing.
I disagree to an extent. I think a lot of it is plain old marketing. There are commercials out there to let people know about each great "miracle" product, but none on natural remedies (that might work just as well or better). Big companies spend big money to make sure we keep buying their products.

Examples:
Vaccinations: there is evidence to suggest that dogs don't need them nearly as often as we give them, but yet a large percentage of dog owners continue to have their dogs vaccinated on an annual basis.

Dog Food: Some of the better foods out there aren't as popular simply because they're not advertised. We're programmed to think foods like Science Diet, Eukanuba, Pedigree, Beneful, etc. are the best of the best, just because those dogs on the TV commercial sure are healthy/happy. A smaller percentage of people feed more "premium" foods like Taste of the Wild, Innova, Wellness, etc. because there isn't a whole lot of advertising out there. Even fewer feed raw, which is arguably the best diet because it's what dogs are genetically programmed to eat.

(DISCLAIMER: Obviously these examples are theoretical because things like vaccinations and diet are very debatable topics)
 

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True, to some extent, about the marketing. But not entirely. Thing is, fi the natural stuff owrked really well? There just plain wouldn't BE a market (or wouldn't have been in the first place) for the product when it launched.

As much as low-end commercial dog food is crap, it's basically eliminated nutritional diseases from dogs. (I also have a suspicion that it contained significantly more meat - although most of it was probably really lousy quality and really questionable sources)- in days past. The fact that people feeding tablescraps had nutritional disease occuring with fair regularity meant there was room for it in the market.
 

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There are some places where natural just DOESN'T work. I was in FL a few years ago (a little central town called Sebring) and Eevee got infested with fleas. NOTHING worked except for the K9 Advantix. I tried every natural and chemical alternative... some flat out just didn't work, and some, like Frontline, made the fleas WORSE! So really it depends on where you are and what the fleas have adapted to there.

Now, here in CO, in most areas, I don't even have to use natural flea preventatives, unless I'm going into the wilderness in the middle of summer, and if I decide to go camping, all I have to do it spray on some essential oils diluted in water and we're good to go!
 
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