[airillusion]

I got a second dog almost two months ago. After the second week, she started interrupting me when I would try to train my first dog so I started putting her behind a baby gate or in her crate. She would (and still does) whine and bark at us while I train my first dog. The whining and barking doesn't stop until about 5 minutes after I finish the training session. It sounds like she is winding down after the training session moving from barking to whining which decrease in frequency and volume. She can see us but I have tried it a few times where she can't see us. If she can't see us she goes ballistic and starts barking and howling like her life depends on it. If she is in her crate, she makes all kinds of noise like she is slamming her body against the crate. I admit I haven't tried her loose without being able to see us.

I have tried giving the second dog food to work on and she always gets just as long of a training session either before or after, but neither helps. She ignores her food and won't touch it until at least 5 minutes after the training session ends. At this point, I'm almost always using kibble as rewards for my first dog for in the house training and my second dog can see me using kibble so there is no reason for jealousy there.

When we first got the second dog she was a big dog on dog resource guarder and would guard even me from my first dog. I have worked really hard at this and we only have resource guarding incidents about once or twice a week now. I am careful only to give the second dog attention in the close presence of the first dog or when the first dog is in her crate. I've taught them that when one dog gets a treat, the other dog gets a treat. There have even been instances where the second dog spilled all the treats and both dogs inhaled them side-by-side, hot dogs at that. We are still working on toy guarding as the second dog is a hoarder , but toys have only recently been introduced. I haven't even tried introducing beds yet. They can either lay on the carpet or go to their respective crates.

The trainers suggested that I give the second dog a treat whenever she is quiet while I train my first dog, but she is rarely quiet more than a second or two. So I have been able to get a few treats in but not much. So far they aren't helping. They haven't even made her pause or add an extra second between barks or whines.

It's driving me nuts and making me not want to train either dog. By the way, she also does this when I give my first dog a bath. Has anyone tried something else that worked for them?

 

[Canyx]

Here's a video of mine:

https://youtu.be/2tXdPYf13og

The puppy is about 10 weeks old in the video, still screeched if put behind a pen, and I had him 1.5 weeks by that time. With a new dog, you don't just put them away and hope for the best (unless the dog is naturally calm). You teach them gradually how to be alone, even if interesting things are going on. My puppy was and is a super high arousal and intense dog, very pushy and wants to be involved with everything. My other dog is an intense resource guarder and has put holes in other dogs over food and toys. So this kind of training was crucial for me.

I started with general mat training. Both dogs LOVE their stations (mat, crate, bed, etc.). That comes first. I wouldn't even have tried training both dogs at a time before that. Thankfully, mat/crate training can be done with both dogs. Then, as you can see in the video I continued to reward calm behavior at their station when I worked with the other dog. Notice how often I rewarded the puppy. I didn't just turn to my older dog and push until my pup got bored or frustrated. That's what it takes. I built it up slowly, and now his impulse control is rock solid.

This video is from 5 months ago, when the pup was a year old (starting at :59) https://youtu.be/DS6TI23JLw8?t=59
Hard to see, but the pup is on a right in a sit-stay, off leash, no collar or harness, no station, as I play a very stimulating game with my older dog. Pup had to wait his turn. This did not happen overnight though.

Baby steps.

 

[Kathyy]

I gave non working dog a treat when I treated working dog. Worked great as non working dog is patiently waiting for that 'free' treat. At first having non working dog behind a gate/pen wall was easier. After that was going well I would have non working dog next to me and now Bucky loves to be sent to his bed while Ginger gets some training. She did not get as much mat training as Bucky because she isn't as crazy and now we are paying the price, she interferes when he's getting trained.

Look into Karen Overall's Relaxation Protocol, you can work with both dogs at the same time and it is mat training and use a gate/pen you stand next to as you work with the other dog so it is easy to treat both at the same time.

Oh, a step before that you might like to consider. I was hand feeding dinner to the dogs, one on either side. At first at the same time then I alternated using dog's name as an additional cue as to which dog was getting the food.

 

[airillusion]

Thank you both! I'll give those ideas a try. I've already done the leg work with saying each dog's name before giving a treat/kibble and they both understand that they will get a treat (part of the resource guarding training I've been doing). It's funny but the second dog is over a year older than the first. My first is a 1 y/o and the second is 2 years and 9 months.