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well my sister in law has Eris brother:

He was attacked last night by a saint bernard that they had. They got the saint from craigslist and was told he was okay with other dogs...he was not. I would like to try to get her help with vetting. She took him to emergency vet last night but he needs more help.

The original owners came and got the saint bernard last night. This dog is not suitable for adoption to anybody. I believe they are going to repost him.

i am adding pictures be warned they are graphic.




 

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¿I wager that the Saint was basically flooded into the intro? Being good with other dogs doesn't necessarily mean puppies. There still needs to be a proper and thorough introduction before they are put together in any close space. Sad story for all involved...
 

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¿I wager that the Saint was basically flooded into the intro? Being good with other dogs doesn't necessarily mean puppies. There still needs to be a proper and thorough introduction before they are put together in any close space. Sad story for all involved...
nope it was a slow introduction, but now the lady that owned that saint emailed me and said...he never got along with her dogs and would growl and attack them...:eek:...my sister in law has the original emails saying he was good with dogs and smaller pets...it was an outright lie...all that matters is that the pup gets help.
 

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Well that sucks. I just hear so many stories of people trying to add another dog(s) and it all goes to hell in a handbasket. My apologies on the assumption.

Still, not quite sure what help a forum can provide in this case. :confused:
 

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Well that sucks. I just hear so many stories of people trying to add another dog(s) and it all goes to hell in a handbasket. My apologies on the assumption.

Still, not quite sure what help a forum can provide in this case. :confused:
does anybody know where she can get help with the medical coverage? We helped out last night for the emergency. We have the pup here at our house.
 

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You can apply for a loan through carecredit.com if you need help paying with vet services.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear that. He's only 5-6 weeks old, isn't he?

What did the e-vet say? How extensive are his injuries? Was the St. Bernard up to date on his shots?

Also: this is probably the very last thing on your mind right now, but please file a report with animal control, and document everything related to the attack. Be sure to keep all of the emails from the owner (electronic and hard copies). I've heard some awful stories about craigslist dogs; there might be something deeper going on in her home.

How old was the St. Bernard? How many other dogs does she have? This is speculation, but I get the feeling she's a broker. An animal control report is essential; she may be breaking local animal welfare laws, and further investigation sounds warranted.
 

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I'm so sorry to hear that. He's only 5-6 weeks old, isn't he?

What did the e-vet say? How extensive are his injuries? Was the St. Bernard up to date on his shots?
he is eating right now and drinking. He has staples in his head. Yea the saint was up to date. The previous owners got an attitude when my sister in law contacted them to come get the dog. They where alone when it happend teh whole family was in the living room when it happened.
 

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Besides the immediate danger to the dog's life, another concern I have is what effect the attack will have psychologically. I think you've said that Eris is 5 weeks old, and I'm assuming they are littermates. Are you keeping them separate while you have them? How is Eris treating him? How is he reacting? Obviously, puppy play is out of the question, but once the immediate threat is gone, he will still need to be socialized. That's probably going to be so much more difficult now that he's been hurt so badly. Are therapy dogs used for other dogs? You might need professional help to get him over this.

I'm sorry - this is two posts in a row where I'm jumping the gun on what you should do next week, but nothing on what to needs to be done right now.
 

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nope it was a slow introduction, but now the lady that owned that saint emailed me and said...he never got along with her dogs and would growl and attack them...:eek:...my sister in law has the original emails saying he was good with dogs and smaller pets...it was an outright lie...all that matters is that the pup gets help.

If they repost them, then your sister needs to report the post as a fraud. If I were your sister I'd also report the attack to Animal Control and let them know the situation. These paople misrepresented the dog and need to help liable fo the vet bills (yes,they can be) so a report NEEDS to be made to AC for that purpose as well. AC will need copies of the emails as evidence as will your sister so she can tke these fools to court.

does anybody know where she can get help with the medical coverage? We helped out last night for the emergency. We have the pup here at our house.

The owners of the Saint need to be held responsible... PERIOD. They need to pay for this!!!
 

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If they repost them, then your sister needs to report the post as a fraud. If I were your sister I'd also report the attack to Animal Control and let them know the situation. These paople misrepresented the dog and need to help liable fo the vet bills (yes,they can be) so a report NEEDS to be made to AC for that purpose as well. AC will need copies of the emails as evidence as will your sister so she can tke these fools to court.




The owners of the Saint need to be held responsible... PERIOD. They need to pay for this!!!
they are refusing to help with any of it. I guess when the lady showed up to get teh saint(who had blood on him) she kneeled down and was all lovey with him.

and for some reason she is emailing me instead of my sis n law. She is driving me crazy. they posted a beware of saint bernard ad on craigslist to warn other people and their response was to post pics of it with their 4 year old daughter:eek:
 

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She may not WANT to pay, but she IS liable. That's why your sister needs to file a report with AC and get action started against this person. Trust me, as a rescuer I know the liability incurred when you place a dog into a home.
 

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I agree. The owner of the Saint needs to pay, but you may have to take them to small claims in order to do that. Document everything and definitely contact animal control.
 

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and for some reason she is emailing me instead of my sis n law. She is driving me crazy. they posted a beware of saint bernard ad on craigslist to warn other people and their response was to post pics of it with their 4 year old daughter:eek:
This might actually be a good thing - she's leaving a paper trail. It just means an even thicker dossier when you report to AC. Take screenshots of her ads, and print to .pdf and hard copies. Keep responding to her emails, always citing the details of the attack. Each response without denial confirms your side of the story.

She's already more than halfway to hanging herself; don't stop giving her rope now.
 

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As far as Craigslist, tell sis to stay away from it, it could harm her. Tell he to report his person's ads to the admin ONLY and not to post to the public part.
 

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they got back from vet. he has a slice through his tongue and a hole in the top of his mouth. he is alert playful
 

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I am so very sorry to hear about the poor pup! Did you ask at the evet about any organizations that can help with emergency bills? I know here in Toronto the evet has pamphlets from an organization that can help...

I also totally agree that legal proceedings should be started to try and regain the money spent on the injuries to this pup. Again, here in Ontario the owner of the attacker is 100 percent liable for all injuries and/or damage to property that their dog commits..even accidentally. You should check with your jurisdiction AC about this when you report the incident. Remember that if this pup has long lasting behavioural issues due to this event there may be costs incurred for behaviourists etc in the future. The people who adopted this dog out should be responsible for that as well.

Poor boy. As soon as he is healthy his owners need to get on board with a good trainer/behaviour specialist to learn how to socialize him safely and properly so that he has the best chance of a fully emotional recovery. He is, at this point, in the beginnings of his first fear period (happens around 6-7 weeks) and this can imprint heavily on him.

Please don't take this as a criticism, it is not meant to be, simply a warning for others who may be in a similar situation (pre event) but puppies should never be left unsupervised with other dogs, even ones you think are okay. All it takes for some dogs is a squeal of a pup to kick in a prey drive attack, even when they know the puppy. The same way small children should never be left alone with dogs...they have no protection at all.
 

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I am so very sorry to hear about the poor pup! Did you ask at the evet about any organizations that can help with emergency bills? I know here in Toronto the evet has pamphlets from an organization that can help...

I also totally agree that legal proceedings should be started to try and regain the money spent on the injuries to this pup. Again, here in Ontario the owner of the attacker is 100 percent liable for all injuries and/or damage to property that their dog commits..even accidentally. You should check with your jurisdiction AC about this when you report the incident. Remember that if this pup has long lasting behavioural issues due to this event there may be costs incurred for behaviourists etc in the future. The people who adopted this dog out should be responsible for that as well.

Poor boy. As soon as he is healthy his owners need to get on board with a good trainer/behaviour specialist to learn how to socialize him safely and properly so that he has the best chance of a fully emotional recovery. He is, at this point, in the beginnings of his first fear period (happens around 6-7 weeks) and this can imprint heavily on him.

Please don't take this as a criticism, it is not meant to be, simply a warning for others who may be in a similar situation (pre event) but puppies should never be left unsupervised with other dogs, even ones you think are okay. All it takes for some dogs is a squeal of a pup to kick in a prey drive attack, even when they know the puppy. The same way small children should never be left alone with dogs...they have no protection at all.
The thing was they where unsupervised. They had just brought pup back in from going potty and the dogs and family where all in living room when the saint did this to the pup. So them being there in teh same room probably saved the pup from further damage. They never left them alone.
 

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It sounds to me like the financial end of the ownership of the puppy is somewhat compromised.. RE: Vet expenses and help with that and how to pay for additional vet expenses etc. (tho the owner of the SB should pay and is liable to do so). Beyond that.. if the $$ is tight for the pup and this E Vet visit, where was the $$ coming from for the 2nd dog which was returned?

If there isn't enough money for Vet on this Emergency, what happens when pup needs speutering etc.? How can there be enough money for a behaviorist, training etc.?

These are just questions that pop up in my mind from reading the postings here.

It is too bad it happened, and it is a shame ppl lie. I fell very badly for the little pup and I expect everyone's heart was in the right place except for the owner of the S. Bernard.
 
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