[leafy]

Here is a thought I have been pondering: I eat oatmeal for breakfast. Within an hour I am starving. I eat eggs for breakfast. I can make it to lunch time.

Is this the same for dogs?

Is it better to feed a smaller amount of high protein dog food than a larger amount of lower protein dog food? What keeps the dog's stomach fuller?

I feed my dog 3x a day: breakfast at 6:30am, dinner around 4:30pm and a bedtime snack at 9:30pm. If I am late feeding her she will throw up bile. My protein (rabbit) at the moment is at 22%.

Thanks!!!

 

[PackMomma]

Are you feeding a food that is grain-inclusive, or grain-free?

 

[Kathyy]

I think you are on the right track but I suspect it is the higher fat content that makes the difference between the eggs and oatmeal breakfasts. Put a small pat of butter on that oatmeal, makes a difference.

I was feeding 22% protein kibble and Max was a frequent bile vomit offender which I treated by giving a little snack before bedtime. Worked fine. Now that he gets high protein, high fat raw he has a bile vomit every few months rather than once a week or so.

Raw feeders often suggest mixing up the mealtimes too. Theory is an extension of Pavlov's thing with the bell and saliva, when it is mealtime the gastric juices start to flow and if food doesn't come then up comes the bile. Max gets fed once a day between 1-4PM but generally gets a few tiny treats other times of the day.

My experience is that higher protein is better for dogs anyway. Geriatric Sassy got stronger with 28% protein and senior Max turned 5 pounds of pudge into 5 pounds of muscle on ~50% protein raw food.

 

[Sasha1/2]

I think you are on the right track but I suspect it is the higher fat content that makes the difference between the eggs and oatmeal breakfasts. Put a small pat of butter on that oatmeal, makes a difference.

You could try nuts or nut butters, too, for good fats. I know more about feeding people than dogs.

 

[hanksimon]

As Kathyy and Sasha suggest, add some fat to your oatmeal to slow down absorption. Have a 1/2 cup to a cup of oatmeal - no more, and try not to add much sugar or fruit. But have an egg with a little butter, first... Zone Diet (based on insulin response) recommends 40% calories from carb, 30% from protein, and 30% from fat..., shooting for fewer total calories than expected. When you get the mix right, you feel noticeably better at each meal, more energetic, and 4 - 5 hours before you're hungry again. Discipline to keep the proportion is difficult but worth the effort.

Dogs have insulin also, but I've never gotten a knowledgeable registered dietitian who could explain the 'benefits' of carbohydrate snacks and treats for dogs. The only folks I've spoken with assured me (incorrectly!) that insulin response always matches carb intake. I've never tried Zone percentages with my dog.... but he is less of an omnivore than humans are...and he requires 1400 calories per day, b/c a dog's metabolism is faster.