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My name is Lee and I owned two Chihuahua dogs. A female, Rio, 3 years old, and her little brother (they were born 3 weeks apart), Sydney, also 3 years old. Sydney is a "Special Needs" dog, as he is exhibits horrible behavior. I do not know why. He snaps at people & animals; he will bite them, and he was never able to be housebroken, and while Rio, his sister, was successfully trained to potty on indoor puppy pads; Sydney on the other hand - never learned to even go on any puppy pads consistently. Sometimes, but not frequently.
In fact, he would often potty where he sleeps - so I would have to put a doggie diaper on him.
Sydney was very close to me, and Rio.

I was forced to give up one of my dogs, as I now live with my parents who would not allow two dogs living here - this was beyond my control.

My mother surrendered my Sydney to a no-kill animal rescue & adoption center called Animal Appeal of Sharpsville, PA on March 20th, 2009.

When my Sydney was surrendered, my mother needed to inform the owner of the organization, Yvonne Ceslak, that Sydney is a "Special Needs" dog.
Yvonne placed him on a heated blankie with his favorite sweater and blanket; in a crate, in one of 3 farm houses.

Ms. Ceslak also told my mother that if she "ever wants him back," she will "call the police to have {my mother} removed from her property at once."

She told my mother that Sydney will be staying in let's just call it, "farm house number one."

On May 15th, 2009, "farm house number one" burned to the ground and 23 dogs and cats perished.

My mother immediately went to Yvonne's after reading te article the next day---- Yvonne at first, acted as if she didn't know who my mother was. My mother began to cry. Then, Yvonne said she didn't know ----- then, she said that she then remembered who Sydney was, and that he was fortunate enough to be adopted out to a wealthy married couple in a nearby city (Pittsburgh area). She also said, that two of ONLY the four dogs that perished were her mother's dogs. The rest were cats.

However, this contradicts what she told us in March --- that she intended on working with his behavioral problems before putting his ad up on the adoption website, www.petfinder.com.
I checked petfinder.com frequently and never saw an ad for Sydney. There are many other Chihuahuas up for adoption by Animal Appeal of Sharpsville, and have been posted for several months, but never have I once saw Sydney's ad.

In the newspaper article, which I will post here in its entirety plus its direct link, NOTHING SEEMS TO ADD UP.

I am a Law student, and I was once on the Board of Directors for the local Humane Society (Mercer County humane Society of Pennsylvania).

I strongly feel like there is foul play involved in this tragedy.

We called Yvonne in an effort to talk to me, she called back and left a voicemail with the same story that she told my mother yesterday.

all I want is some substantial evidence, perhaps if she could give the new owners of Sydney my contact information and my plea to put my mind at ease, knowing that Sydney was not one of the animals that had burned to death.

In my experience as a volunteer for the local humane society, I have never heard of a special needs/behavioral dog being adopted out to a picture-perfect family immediately. He was indeed neutered, with all shots up to date when my mother surrendered him, however I don't believe her.

Ms. Ceslak, in so many words in the voicemail, asked me not to bother her again due to being exhausted from all of the stress.

I need to know that she is not lying to my family and I, I strongly feel that the farmhouse was intentionally burned down.

It's entirely possible that it was an accident, and so far, the local Humane society I worked for, and the Chief of Police, is sticking up for Ms. Ceslak, however, there are many holes in the story which I will highlight and discuss after posting the article.


The article is as follows, from http://www.sharonherald.com/archivesearch/local_story_134215911.html ----

"23 dogs and cats perish in fire at farmhouse owned by Animal Appeal


By Joe Pinchot
Herald Staff Writer

HERMITAGE —
Twenty-three dogs and cats died in a fire Thursday at a farmhouse owned by Animal Appeal, an animal rescue and adoption agency, said Hermitage Fire Chief Robert S. Goeltz.


Animal Appeal’s Yvonne Ceslak said she was told three cats and a dog were rescued by a passerby before the fire became too smoky.

’I’m thankful for him, whoever he was,’ she said.

Many of the animals were caged and firefighters had no chance to rescue any, Goeltz said. Smoke was blowing out the second story windows when firefighters arrived.

Ms. Ceslak said she was at the 4516 Lamor Road house at about 11 a.m. and saw no signs of trouble. The fire was called in at 11:08, Mercer County 911 said.

She said she was aware of no fire hazards in the house.

’There was nothing that could have given me a hint that I would have a problem today,’ she said.

The cause of the accidental fire probably was electrical, Goeltz said.

The kennel behind the farm house was not affected by the blaze, Ms. Ceslak said.

Mercer County Humane Society removed the dead animals, and Shenango Valley Animal Shelter also helped manage animals.

Ms. Ceslak thanked those who responded for the ’tremendous amount of support’ they provided.

A Jefferson Township couple were among the first on the scene and helped to remove some of the animals from the burning house, a few miles from their Ball Park Road home.

John Devine, a counselor at George Junior Republic in Pine Township, said he and his wife were returning home when she saw smoke coming from the top of the house.

They saw someone else was already in the driveway calling 911 and went to the front door. ’She knocked and there was no answer,’ Devine said. ’So I knocked hard. It was locked.’

They ran to the back door, which was unlocked. ’I opened it and was just trying to pull out as many pets as I could,’ he said, adding that included about five or six occupied cat carriers and a couple of dogs. ’I wasn’t noticing what was inside (the carriers), I just pulled them out.’

The house is insured, and Ms. Ceslak said she does not know if she might be able to remodel the house, which Goeltz called uninhabitable.

’We’ll do OK,’ she said. ’It doesn’t affect our animals being able to find homes. It doesn’t affect our operations.’

Transfer, Jefferson Township and Clark volunteer firefighters assisted.

Sharpsville firefighters put out a large brush pile fire that got out of hand on Parkdale Avenue while Hermitage and Patagonia firefighters were fighting the Lamor blaze.

Herald copy editor Kim Curry contributed to this story. "


Discussing what I have highled in the story:
-----Who is the unidentified man who managed to run off with a few crates BEFORE the fire had gotten out of hand, leave the premesis, and not notify someone? ANYONE? Could it be an accompliss? Could he have saved Ms. Ceslak's mother's two dogs and left the rest to burn to death?

---- If the call was dialed at 11:08am, and Ms. Ceslak checked the house at 11am, wouldn't that put her right at the time that the fire was started?

----The farmhouse is insured, but Ms. Ceslak implied that she had no intentions on remodeling it. I would like to also add, that a new house is being constructed on this property, and has been under construction for a while.

----Why were Sharpsville area firefighters putting out a brush fire at the same time, in the tiny town of Sharpsville, after it had been RAINING ALL WEEK LONG HERE? Were they intentionally being diverted away from the Sharpsville area?

----We all know that not too many people want to pay $200.00 adoption fees for cats, when there are huge amounts of newspaper ads and clippings for "Free Kittens."


......It really sounds to me, and this may just be my paranoid conspiracy theory, as if Ms. Ceslak did exactly what the owner of Club Pet did in October 2007; she created a diversion, the two dogs that were saved by the unidentified passerby were her mother's dogs, and she just threw a bunch of cats and a few "problem dogs" (such as my beloved Sydney) into the farmhouse and burned it to the ground in an effort to collect insurance money.
This is my opinion and until she can provide some substancial evidence or proof that Sydney is in fact alive and well and with a wealthy married couple in Pittsburgh I feel that I need help.


I do not want to return her voicemail, as per her implication that she is under a lot of stress from the incident and doesn't want bothered.

So what am I supposed to do?

----****ALSO, IN OCTOBER 2007, ANOTHER LOCAL NO-KILL ANIMAL RESCUE, KNOWN AS "CLUB PET," HAD BURNED DOWN AND THE OWNER, DIANNA L. ESTMAN, COLLECTED INSURANCE. THIS OCCURED ROUGHLY 2 MONTHS AFTER HER ESTRANGED EX HUSBAND HAD BROKEN INTO THE KENNEL AND ATTEMPTED TO MURDER HER.

PLEASE GIVE ANY ADVICE ON WHAT I CAN DO TO FIND OUT IF SYDNEY IS REALLY WITH THIS MIRACULOUS NEW HOME OR IN THE ARMS OF THE ANGELS DUE TO INSURANCE FRAUD AND THE TRAGIC LOSS OF INNOCENT ANIMALS' LIVES.
Or perhaps Ms. Ceslak did not intentionally burn down the farmhouse; but perhaps she is lying to me because Sydney really was one of the animals that had perished and just doesn't want to tell me.

All I want is the truth, so if Sydney really is dead, I may be able to have closure, peace, and lay flowers wherever he may be buried, with the other animals.

PLEASE HELP ME.

Thank you,

Lee
 

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I think you are being a bit paranoid, and I'm sure the police are handling it. Insurance claims and findings take FOREVER.

That said? You surrendered Sydney. The rescue does not owe you ANYTHING. It's polite of them to tell you that he was placed or not, but I know of several groups who have policies of NOT telling people who surrender dogs anything about hteir placement. If the dog failed a temperament test, the group then faces drama ("I thought you were no kill!" when "no kill' really means "We won't kill anything for space but we may euthanize behavioral cases or chronically ill dogs"), occasionally adopters end up getting harassed by people who change their minds and want a dog back.
 

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When your mother surrendered the dog why did the lady say she would call the cops if she tried to come back?:confused:
 

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It is entirely possible that the woman had a history of people coming back, after surrendering a dog and perhaps wanting it back. Threatening a call to police seems harsh, but I doubt it just came out of the blue.

Without making judgements about the circumstances surrounding the surrender, once it's done, it's done. I can't even imagine how difficult it must be but I believe the story ends there.

BTW, please don't post your email address on an open forum unless you really enjoy getting spam. Anyone who wants to respond will do so on this thread or, if you've allowed it, by private messaging through the forum.
 

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Like I said, I have worked for the local Humane Society on the Board of Directors.

I know the policies; and my mother never implied that she would ever ask for Sydney back...that's not what I'm trying to say at all.

Ms. Ceslak turned out to be a less than compassionate/polite individual but we heard that her reputation for placing animals in safe, security-cleared loving homes was vigorous, strict and fantastic, which is why we decided to surrender Sydney to her.

But the whole threat to call the cops thing was rather unnecessary; we bit our lip and trusted Sydney was in good hands -

---better off than the other loca lno-kill adoption agency that was burned down in 2007.

I call Sydney "my" dog as a "personal" thing since in my heart, he will always be my Sydney.

I know, that there is almost always a lot drama involving an animal surrender. However, this was not the case with Sydney.
We knew exactly what we were doing, and Yvonne even commented on how healthy and well taken care of Sydney was.

Anyway - Ordinarily - I wouldn't even call to ask how he is doing - due to the reputation of this shelter, I felt that Sydney was living a better life than I could possibly ever gve him, and I spoil my dogs.

However--

When my mother surrendered Sydney, we did so under the condition that we left him in the care of a safe environment.It turns out, we surrendered our beloved pet to an unsafe environment and the entire town is wondering about why there will be insurance compensation yet there were no implications that Yvonne was going to use the money toward the business; and as far as I knew, cats weren't supposed to be in that farm house. But we all know cats rarely get adopted when they're usually given away.

I am not ruling out the possibility that I'm paranoid.

But until I can have some kind of substantial proof to back up this elaborate and unrealistic fairy tale ending for Sydney, I'm going to worry about it. :(

I don't know how I can go above the heads of the local animal associations - as I said, ordinarily I wouldn't - but this is under a whole new circumstance.

Lee

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RonE - I am aware of spambots and other website hijacking utilities. If it makes you feel better, feel free to remove my email address from my first post. Obviously I can not remove it at this time.
*EDIT: I was able to remove it. This forum operates differently than the ones I'm used to. I like it!
 

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You aren't required to rebuild/remodel a building that's been destroyed, even after you get the insurance money. If my garage burned down and they gave me the insurance money, but I decided I didn't need a garage anymore so I just put a big garden where the garage used to be, that's my prerogative and it's not necessarily suspicious. Definitely doesn't mean I burned my garage down myself. So I can't say I find that suspicious, especially since they were using old farm houses (which are prone to burning down), and now they want to build a better structure, more suited to keeping animals.

I'd hate to think that someone in rescue would deliberately subject animals to being burned to death like that. Sure, adult cats are nearly impossible to place (due to vast numbers of irresponsible dopes letting their cats reproduce), but if she wanted them dead, humane euthanasia would be more fitting. Defeats the purpose of having rescued them in the first place, especially when you consider that she probably put a lot of money into them, having them altered, FeLV tested, vaccinated, etc.

She may be lying to you about what happened to Sydney, but she had no obligation to tell you what happened to him at all. Once a pet is surrendered, the owner also surrenders all rights to know what happened to the pet. Chihuahuas are easy to place, so maybe he was adopted quickly, by someone who was willing to take in a problem dog and work with him.

I think the entire situation is incredibly sad, but not necessarily suspicious.
 

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... and now they want to build a better structure, more suited to keeping animals.
No, she does not want to build a new structure. The new structure being built on the property is not for the animals in any way.

There's probably a million things pointing to arson ----> and the entire town knows it, considering it's a trend in the area to burn down kennels full of unwanted cats ever since 2007 and collect insurance <---- but this forum is not the jury, and I don't need to explain this to you.

What I was asking for was a place where I could override the policy due to the circumstance in order to make sure the animal that *I* surrendered is safe.

I may never have peace of mind and it may break my heart forever if something isn't done, which is why I am trying to do whatever I can to go over her head----and if I find out she is telling the truth, hell, I'd HELP her build a new shelter (despite the fact she's kind of a rude person in general...but her reputation is good).


I was going to go to the media but apparently someone in Lawrence County, PA already did so I hope that this was all just be a big tragic accident and not a repeat of what happened in the 2007 local Club Pet kennels. I'm not saying that's what Ms. Ceslak has done, and I really hope that is not the case. In fact, like I said before, it may be my own paranoia ---- but I'm not the only suspicious one, and that makes me upset. So.
Either way, I have rights.


May I ask what is with this forum's horrible attitude? Are you people this impolite and caustic to everyone, or just me?

Please do not be mean to me, I am not quite sure if I offended anyone, but I don't think I deserve to be treated with such disrespect. I'm quite upset over the whole thing -- whether or not it was an accident.

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I don't see any "horrible attitudes" here..

I don't know that there is any way to find your "lost" dog if the shelter owner won't give you any information... I don't know who else would have that information. And since the owner is under no obligation to give you that information, it seems quite likely that you may never know.

It is a very sad situation, and obviously upsetting, but as has been said, Sydney was no longer your dog.
 

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First, welcome to the forum, we are not that bad, sometime over truthfull, without, cream covering it. I get gang banged here quite regularly, but I am still here because I appreciate the direct forwardness not sugar coating. But most of oll, the intelligence of the regular people here! Your post was very well written, highlighted, etc, better them most! But what really counts is getting point over, and you did that very well!!!,

I will give you my sad story of a cat named "Elizabeth". She was almost two years old and we decided to get a doberman pup. I should say first that Elizabeth loved me, worshiped me, more then I can describe.

So the pup was very over rambunctious to say the least, so I was describing events with the dog cat at a coffee break at a dental facility. One of the dental assistants over heard me and said she would take the cat. Well I was taken by surprise and without realy thinking it through I say OK!

So I gave her the cat and things really got better with the pup, complete one on one, and I felt I made the right decision, but I did think about that little girl, Elisabeth, that I was her life to her, but tried to remove it from my head.

Two weeks later, coffee break time, the dentist were already there sipping there coffee and kind of whispering to each other as I walked in and giving me these quick glances. So I say ok guys, whats up, I can tell it has something to do with me, kinda joking. Finally one of the DDS said that my ex-cat hung her self. Boy I had a hard time keeping my composure, may have bit my inner lip very hard.

So I talked to the gal that I gave my cat to, then she tells me she has two dogs and one cat, and that my cat was so afraid of the dogs and always hiding under the bed and would never come out. So she ties a string around the cats neck and the other end to a leg of a chair so the cat could not run off and hide. Then She goes to work and comes back that evening to find the cat hanging from the chair dead. I asked her why she did not tell me of the problem I would have taken her back and work it out.. She said I gave her the impression that I would be better off with out the cat.

So when you give up a loved one THINK, THINK. THINK:( I have to live with my mistake, and I feel like terrible thinking about it and writing this reply!
 

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You gave up any rights to know what happened to the dog when you gave HIM up.

End of story. Move on Nancy Drew.
 

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First, welcome to the forum, we are not that bad, sometime over truthfull, without, cream covering it. I get gang banged here quite regularly, but I am still here because I appreciate the direct forwardness not sugar coating. But most of oll, the intelligence of the regular people here! Your post was very well written, highlighted, etc, better them most! But what really counts is getting point over, and you did that very well!!!,

I will give you my sad story of a cat named "Elizabeth". She was almost two years old and we decided to get a doberman pup. I should say first that Elizabeth loved me, worshiped me, more then I can describe.

So the pup was very over rambunctious to say the least, so I was describing events with the dog cat at a coffee break at a dental facility. One of the dental assistants over heard me and said she would take the cat. Well I was taken by surprise and without realy thinking it through I say OK!

So I gave her the cat and things really got better with the pup, complete one on one, and I felt I made the right decision, but I did think about that little girl, Elisabeth, that I was her life to her, but tried to remove it from my head.

Two weeks later, coffee break time, the dentist were already there sipping there coffee and kind of whispering to each other as I walked in and giving me these quick glances. So I say ok guys, whats up, I can tell it has something to do with me, kinda joking. Finally one of the DDS said that my ex-cat hung her self. Boy I had a hard time keeping my composure, may have bit my inner lip very hard.

So I talked to the gal that I gave my cat to, then she tells me she has two dogs and one cat, and that my cat was so afraid of the dogs and always hiding under the bed and would never come out. So she ties a string around the cats neck and the other end to a leg of a chair so the cat could not run off and hide. Then She goes to work and comes back that evening to find the cat hanging from the chair dead. I asked her why she did not tell me of the problem I would have taken her back and work it out.. She said I gave her the impression that I would be better off with out the cat.

So when you give up a loved one THINK, THINK. THINK:( I have to live with my mistake, and I feel like terrible thinking about it and writing this reply!
Oh honey, I am so sorry for your loss! I too, have a few sad stories that I will never forgive myself for-- but we have to try and not beat ourselves up. Because we're still on this planet, we must be mindful that even if the animal suffered in death, the animal is not suffering any longer - we are - we blame ourselves, but that is natural. As an animal care official I have seen and heard the worst of the worst and unfortunately, some people are just plain cruel, should NOT own animals, and think they're right when they're really very wrong. Like little jesirose who made a sarcastic, misinformed and completely ignorant reply which is going straight in my one ear and out the other. I may have given up the ownership of my dog but Ms. Ceslak is under duress and so offered me arrangements to take Sydney back. I did decline; I don't want to confuse the poor dog, but it still does not provide proof that he was unharmed. Most shelters wouldn't even offer this as an option; so I feel blessed for coming this far with such a broken heart; so jesirose, I would stoop to your level and tell you to suck on that for a while, but I'm of higher intelligence, so that's a negative, Highlander.

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Ok, first of all you DID lose all rights to the dog when you relinquished it, so there is nothing you can do about it now.

Let law enforcement do their job, if there is anything suspicious about the fire, they will find it and charges will be pressed. If not then the right thing to do is press the issue with Animal Control and the FD. If she is doing rescue as an individual there IS no one you can go to that is 'over' her really, other than seeking a revocation of her tax exempt status IF she has one.

The fact is, ANYONE can call themselves a rescue. unles they are state inspected (such as a county shelter would be) via the state agriculture dept there are no requirements for calling oneself a rescue, the are plenty of Back yard rescues.
 

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Well man's inhumanity to man is well documented and I have no idea what happened at this rescue place. I do know there have been many jumping show horses killed for insurance. Wives, husbands killed for insurance and on and on and on. The thing that confuses me and sounds a tad paranoid is that the firemen police etc all involved to burn bldg etc.

Many years ago I lost a horse in a barn fire and thank doG there were 6 horses out of 30 that did not make it and 2 were owned by the barn owner's brother and wife, also the fireman had to tackle the barn owner because he kept going back in to bring out horses. He ended up in the hospital for a couple days.

That being said, thoughts of foul play did jump up and smack me a little before common sense jumped in and squashed thoughts. With a previous fire in 2007 I can understand the problems involved and it's one of those things OP is stuck with.

A while back there was a thread about what plans have been made if owners die, what plans have they made for their pets, our's will be PTSed (one old dog) but at least I know it would be done as accidents and bad things can happen.

Whatever happened, life just smacks you with bad things once in a while.
 

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and, just to add to this, we all make mistakes.. and from those mistakes we learn.

and sometimes the lessons are oh so hard.. BobSD's story just plain breaks my heart. I have had cats like that.. and the imbecile who tied the cat with a string.. Geeze I hope she learned something (but I have little hope of that since common sense would have not had her tie the cat in the first place and then LEAVE).

I am sorry for the loss of Sydney but there is very little you can do other than to keep at it if the Law does not take its course. Nothing will bring the little dog back.

Yes.. there are quite a few pvt. rescues. They can be good and they can be bad and on down to very bad. Most of them start out with their hearts in the right place but their lack of financing and business sense can take them to a bad place quickly.

They forget you can't keep dogs and cats on love. It takes money, facilities and time and a business plan and without that, things can go bad fast.
 

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Ok first off if she doesn't want to give you anymore information then she isn't required to since you signed over the dog to her care.BUT you could always try to contact the athorities that are handleing the fire case and ask them if they could let you know if your former dog was one that perished in the fire.Do not expect them to tell you anything if they don't want to but they may possibley tell you.And then I would leave it at that,after you surrender your animal you really have no rights that's why finding a great shelter or organization is so important BEFORE you sign any papers.
 

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So I talked to the gal that I gave my cat to, then she tells me she has two dogs and one cat, and that my cat was so afraid of the dogs and always hiding under the bed and would never come out. So she ties a string around the cats neck and the other end to a leg of a chair so the cat could not run off and hide. Then She goes to work and comes back that evening to find the cat hanging from the chair dead.
OMG:eek:. How did you resist the urge to beat her for such complete, utter, stupidity?!!!!! I don't care how well meaning hte person was, if some one was that stupid to an animal I love, it would be really d*mned hard not to want to hit them.
 

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Thank You tigres for those kind words, Did you ever read my mind, did I ever want to hit her, just one time, but no, I never strike a lady. But I was very surprised that this person working for a dentist chair side , and did a great job, would be so foolish. I realize some people can be a ingenious, but lack common sense.

Elana, I have always practiced my mean biker look when I am around punks, I must look pretty bad because never had to follow it up. But now when i look in the mirror, I scare myself:D

Lee, please come back here for future post, I really like your gift of writing style. :)

Have a great day everyone, now I gots ta go to the dentist this afternoon, I hate that shot for the lower arch:mad: And my male dig need his teeth cleaned!

my male dig?, DOG:)
 

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Carla, you have displayed impressibly how bad and mean you can be, how would you like a "Sturgis Motorcycle Rally" tee shirt. It just happens the forum I belong to, I am getting the administrator and another mod a rally tee shirt, these are the official ones and are collectors items. Even "Hells Angels" recognizes them. My friends live in California also, no strings attached you can still kick me off this forum.:D You have decide if you want it for you or your hubby, or as the kids call it your DA, or SO. The event takes place in August every year, I am sure you heard about it? Most shirts are always black but I could find pink if you want lolol.
 

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Carla, you have displayed impressibly how bad and mean you can be, how would you like a "Sturgis Motorcycle Rally" tee shirt. It just happens the forum I belong to, I am getting the administrator and another mod a rally tee shirt, these are the official ones and are collectors items. Even "Hells Angels" recognizes them. My friends live in California also, no strings attached you can still kick me off this forum.:D You have decide if you want it for you or your hubby, or as the kids call it your DA, or SO. The event takes place in August every year, I am sure you heard about it? Most shirts are always black but I could find pink if you want lolol.

LOL, I would LOVE a Sturgis T!!!! Once I've kicked all the kids out of the house we will be attending regularly, Men's large will do and Hubby can share so in black please (I really don't wear pink unless forced to)! I'll PM you my info once my migraine goes away.
 
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