Miniature poodle or standard schanuzer

LeoRose said:

• Height: 18.5-19.5 inches (male), 17.5-18.5 inches (female)
• Weight: 35-50 pounds (male), 30-45 pounds (female)

Standard Schnauzer ^^

• Height: Over 15 inches (standard)
• Weight: 60-70 pounds (male), 40-50 pounds (female)

Standard Poodle ^^

• Height: 10-15 inches
• Weight: 10-15 pounds

Miniature Poodle ^^

There isn't that much size difference between a small SPoo and a Standard Schnauzer as there is between MiniPoo and the Standard Schnauzer. There is, however, quite a bit of difference in personality between either Poodle variety and the Schnauzer.

One thing to keep in mind is that MiniPoos are a bit more delicate than either of the other two, and might not be suitable for rough and tumble play with younger children.

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DaySleepers said:

It's a bummer that there aren't medium poodles (otherwise known as moyen, klein, mellom...) well established in the US. They fall between mini and standard poodles, and are a brilliant size for a small dog who's a bit bigger and sturdier than the minis. Sadly, there's very few reputable breeders of them in the US, because it's not a size recognized by the American Kennel Club or the United Kennel Club (though many reputable European kennel clubs do recognize it).

Poodles are in general very people-focused and eager to work with you. They're considered easy to train, but keep in mind that intelligence also means that they're good at learning things you don't mean to teach them, too... like how if they bark or paw at you you give them attention (any attention is good attention to many dog). Or how your jacket pockets sometimes have stray dog treats to root out. Or how to open the sliding glass door to the backyard. They do need to be kept mentally stimulated so they don't get in too much trouble.

Mine is a pretty good alert barker when he thinks something weird or exciting is going on. Height really doesn't make a big difference, imo - if they can't see the thing, they can hear it. My poodle always knew exactly when it was my wife coming up the stairs to our first apartment's door, despite being in a communal building with other people going up and down regularly.

Plenty of poodles make good family dogs, although it is important that you're aware that minis can be delicate and kids can't roughhouse or manhandle them. Definitely look for a breeder who is breeding dogs that are thriving in family setting and have a temperament and energy you enjoy. Even if the breeder is very excellent and reputable and producing wonderful, healthy dogs, it's a bad match if most of their dogs are going to competitive sports homes because they're high energy, intense, and need lots of exercise and stimulation.

But keep in mind that some dogs - even great dogs - don't do well in doggy daycare or dog park situations. They can be very chaotic and high-energy, and overwhelming for some dogs. My own poodle is a very poor fit for this kind of dog-dog interaction, and trying to force these interactions on him has made him very insecure and snappy around strange dogs. A dog walker who handles a single dog at a time is a better fit for most dogs if you need some extra help with exercise!

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DaySleepers said:

If it's a reputable breeder doing full genetic health testing on the parents and breeding from moyen stocks (not mixing standard poodles with minis or toys to make them smaller), that can be a great option. Just know that some less reputable breeders are mixing sizes together and calling them 'moyen' poodles, even though mixing sizes can be much less predictable - the puppies might wind up the size of a standard or barely bigger than a mini - and the different sizes of poodles have different health issues that still need to be checked for and evaluated with each breeding.

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DaySleepers said:

Yes, a genuine moyen line would have moyen-sized dogs - who have been bred to be that size for generation after generation - imported from countries where this size is recognized. Preferably after having already been shown to championship so that the breeder has an outside source that confirms that the dog physically meets the breed standard. If it's just a standard bred to mini, they're just using the term 'moyen' as a sketchy marketing ploy - steer clear.

Your best bet is a mini, since you'll be able to find many more breeders and be able to pick which one is producing dogs that fit you and your family's needs. I'd start with The Poodle Club of America.

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Deacon.dog said:

I know of a reputable breeders of Moyens in the U.S.

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- Karbit poodles (under Small Standard/Kleinpudel puppies) Located in Texas.

Medium Poodle | Moyen Poodle | Klein Poodle

Noir Poodles is a home breeder of AKC Medium Poodle puppies. Health tested parents are loved family pets. Black, brown, and parti colors in the wonderful moyen poodle size.

www.moyen-poodle.com

- Located in Missouri

Minature poodles are rather delicate, but there are some heavier bones ones out there. They are very sensitve dogs, but they are very smart, and eager to please. They are barkers, and will probably bark at the door. I may be bias, but the bad outweighs the good and I do think Poodles are one of the best dog breeds out there. Well rounded, obedient etc.

Schnauzer's I think require hand stripping? Which isn't as easy to do at home as it is to take a clipper to your poodle, They are heavier boned than MOST MP's which makes them less risky with children possibly getting too rough with your dog.

Schnauzers probably weigh more, but they are very similar in height. 11" is the smallest a MP should be, but they can be smaller. Same goes for Schnauzer's though, any breed can be over or below height standards.

I think a Moyen would be the perfect happy medium, I am personally on a Search for a 15"-20" poodle, and I can't find any anywhere. It will be hard to find a reputable breeder of small poodles. less hard to find a reputable breeder of minis who has a Mini Standard Spoo sized.

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