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If these are truthfully 100% dalmatian as they claim (it is possible that the people have just bred undersized dals together over years to get smaller and smaller ones), then I really want to know how they managed to breed deafness, kidney problems, and "aggressive behavior" out completely. Seems magical. 
I thought I read before that dalmatian mixes don't tend to retain the defined spots... but I'm not sure, so hopefully someone who knows more about genetics will come in here! Would a mix be born pure white and develop the spots later, like a pure dal?
I thought I read before that dalmatian mixes don't tend to retain the defined spots... but I'm not sure, so hopefully someone who knows more about genetics will come in here! Would a mix be born pure white and develop the spots later, like a pure dal?
Also, nonexistent health guarantee:
And charging more for different colors, sizes, and sexes:
Yep, really reputable breeder we have here.
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Yep they are just another "designer" mutt. They have been around for a while now.
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I had asked where that was found by just went back and answered my own question . . . found the FAQ page.If these are truthfully 100% dalmatian as they claim (it is possible that the people have just bred undersized dals together over years to get smaller and smaller ones), then I really want to know how they managed to breed deafness, kidney problems, and "aggressive behavior" out completely. Seems magical.
Have to be careful reading here . . . there is no 'only' in that sentence so that does not suggest crossbreeding didn't happen . . . just that a line of purebred Dals were used.
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On the FAQ page, SOB.
Edit: And heh, yes, tricky wording! Would mixes be born white and develop spots later like a pure dal?
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I imagine they realized how to glean the extreme white spotting alleles from the Dals, and as well have worked on retaining the same kind of 'ticking' that Dals have. This would mean they have taken the 'color' genes from the Dalmatian stock and the colors would work the same way in these pups . . . with ticking developing as the dogs grow.On the FAQ page, SOB.
Edit: And heh, yes, tricky wording! Would mixes be born white and develop spots later like a pure dal?
This is classic . . . the way that MANY of our small breeds were refined from larger working breeds through to the 19th Century, mixing with toy dogs to bring down size.
I hope they used kinder methods than were used in the past.
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I love how they have about 50 pictures of their gazebo but no pics of the inside of the kennel buildings. . ..
But, hey, if they can get a less than 10% deafness rate and don't kill deaf pups that makes them more ethical than regular Dal breeders, IMO.
.But, hey, if they can get a less than 10% deafness rate and don't kill deaf pups that makes them more ethical than regular Dal breeders, IMO.
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I wonder why these types of breeders don't use rat terriers instead of chi's.As interested as I am in these I can't in good conscience get one because I know they're just Chihuahua/Dalmatian mutts... You can really see the Chi in some of them
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Honestly as with most kind of "designer breeds" I don't see the appeal. I find the supply and demand for these type of things somewhat stupid. I got my dog from the pound, pure mutt, great temperament, and everywhere I take him I get stopped about how adorable he is and "what breed is he?" And it only cost me $60 to adopt him.
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Horrible, horrible. Red flags all over this designer breeder.
Not much of a breed, either. There's so much variation between the individual dogs pictured, especially in facial structure. Except for dalmation-like color, they look like major mixes.
Not much of a breed, either. There's so much variation between the individual dogs pictured, especially in facial structure. Except for dalmation-like color, they look like major mixes.
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Just found this link from the testimonials page with photos of one of the pups there . . . was happy it wasn't gazebo photos!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacklyn-rhea/sets/72157604310811992/
The setup looks similar to many professional setups that I've seen, and better than some others. It is much better than the kennels that I was referred to here by those involved in showing when looking for a Cavalier.
Myself, I'll reserve judgement and just keep looking for more info. I clearly remember when there were noses out of joint over the AKK and it seems any 'small' breed in development is target for the 'designer' labellers. It takes time and numbers to develop a breed and achieve type and I certainly wouldn't condone the methods that were used (tight inbreeding and culling of breeding stock) to develop breeds quickly in the past.
I like the look of Dalmatians and small Dalmatians are even more appealing. My sister owned one and I've never been attracted to their temperament traits.
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http://www.flickr.com/photos/jacklyn-rhea/sets/72157604310811992/
The setup looks similar to many professional setups that I've seen, and better than some others. It is much better than the kennels that I was referred to here by those involved in showing when looking for a Cavalier.
Myself, I'll reserve judgement and just keep looking for more info. I clearly remember when there were noses out of joint over the AKK and it seems any 'small' breed in development is target for the 'designer' labellers. It takes time and numbers to develop a breed and achieve type and I certainly wouldn't condone the methods that were used (tight inbreeding and culling of breeding stock) to develop breeds quickly in the past.
I like the look of Dalmatians and small Dalmatians are even more appealing. My sister owned one and I've never been attracted to their temperament traits.
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My cousin loves Dalmatians, had many in her lifetime but after the loss ad her last one she was wanting a smaller dig with similar personality, well, she got one of these from this breeder you linked. She LOVES her pup, Micky. She got him about two years ago. I don't see them as minimdalmations but she says he is just like her last boy. Shrug.
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I agree. This breeder makes me suspicious though. I dont know much about breeding but he seems to hit a lot of the 'red flags'. The dogs are insanely expensive, they dont look at all standardized, raised outside, no health guarantee, claims to have no genetic problems, "bred out aggression"? Just makes me wonder.
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I don't oppose people developing new breeds, although I'm a little iffy on people attempting to make new size varieties of existing breeds. I do not like it when they mislead people into believing their dogs are not mixes. This site really reads like these are purebred, toy and mini-sized dalmatians. I dislike how these breeders are referring to dalmatians as "standard dalmatians," as if size variations are already accepted.
My main issues here, though, are with the health guarantee (or lack thereof -- their dogs are not guaranteed at all once they leave their property), the fact that they're claiming to have bred major dalmatian health issues out of their puppies, and the outrageous prices. I have no problem with good breeders charging high prices to recoup some of the costs of showing, trialing, proper health testing, etc... but these people obviously do not show or trial, and do not mention any health testing. They also charge different prices based on size, color, spot pattern, and sex (if all dogs sold have to be spayed or neutered, why are females $1000 more expensive than males?), which I hate to see even from a "good" breeder. I wouldn't buy from or recommend this breeder no matter what they were breeding.
It's also odd to me that they don't have a listing of the parent dogs anywhere. That's a major red flag to me. I have no idea how many dogs they own, what they look like... the only list of dogs on that site is a list of available puppies (and the most dalmatian-looking one is $5,000, wow. The $1,000-$2,000 ones all look like many mixes I've seen in shelters).
That's just my opinion, though -- these are things that are important to me when I choose a breeder.
P.S. One of their pups is $750 because:
My main issues here, though, are with the health guarantee (or lack thereof -- their dogs are not guaranteed at all once they leave their property), the fact that they're claiming to have bred major dalmatian health issues out of their puppies, and the outrageous prices. I have no problem with good breeders charging high prices to recoup some of the costs of showing, trialing, proper health testing, etc... but these people obviously do not show or trial, and do not mention any health testing. They also charge different prices based on size, color, spot pattern, and sex (if all dogs sold have to be spayed or neutered, why are females $1000 more expensive than males?), which I hate to see even from a "good" breeder. I wouldn't buy from or recommend this breeder no matter what they were breeding.
It's also odd to me that they don't have a listing of the parent dogs anywhere. That's a major red flag to me. I have no idea how many dogs they own, what they look like... the only list of dogs on that site is a list of available puppies (and the most dalmatian-looking one is $5,000, wow. The $1,000-$2,000 ones all look like many mixes I've seen in shelters).
That's just my opinion, though -- these are things that are important to me when I choose a breeder.
P.S. One of their pups is $750 because:
Guess they didn't quite breed deafness out.
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