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I live in the country and have a wife and two daughters, I am out of town alot and want to train my bull dog on some bite work. anybody know of a trainer in the thurmont area?
 

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So you want your bully to attack and bite someone who is on your property when you aren't there?

I don't think you'll find anyone here to help you.
 

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no not just bite anybody. But protect the house when she is home and i am not on command. I guess shultzhund training is the better word for it.
 

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so what kind of training am i looking for? And the dog breed is a old english bull dog she is 65 pounds and she is as close to a pitbull as they come as far as looks.
 

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In order to determine if your dog is a good candidate for this type of training, find a trainer certified in Personal Protection Training, get a professional evaluation and go from there.

The trainer may determine that your dog is not the right temperment for this type of training. But this way, you have a professional opinion, not a forum opinion.
 

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Thats what I was trying to find. I was wondering if anybody had any trainers that they now of that do this kind of training. I am in thurmont md. thank you for your info.
 

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In order to determine if your dog is a good candidate for this type of training, find a trainer certified in Personal Protection Training, get a professional evaluation and go from there.

The trainer may determine that your dog is not the right temperment for this type of training. But this way, you have a professional opinion, not a forum opinion.
Ditto! An OEB is not a likely prospect for personal protection work. That's not to say your dog wouldn't excel at it, but even a popular Schutzhund breed (like Belgian Malinois) need to be evaluated for the proper temperament.
 

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I checked with some of the local trainers and they all say it is not what they do. I just want some peace of mind when i am out of town. I dont want to go and buy a already trained dog I would rather train the one i got. I now any dog can bite you a poodle or a presa, but I just want to find some one who can train me, my wife and my dog to be a home protector.
 

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bully breeds are typically bad candidates for personal protection because of several reasons

yes any dog can bite but in personal protection training you need a dog with ingrained defensive drive...which isn't something bully breeds are meant to have. defensive drive is the desire to protect and it makes a big difference when choosing a pp dog because a dog with defensive drive is more likely to be discriminating in who they attack. a dog without that drive and you run a bigger risk of getting a dog who attacks just for the sake of attacking.

plus owning a bully breed who is trained to bite is a bad idea because of breed specific legislation. you don't want to end up with your dog euthanized and every dog like him on the way to the euth chamber because of any mistake YOU made.

you want protection...buy a gun. a criminal is more likely to shoot your dog than be deterred by it if the criminal comes into your home. criminals most likely won't come in your home JUST BECAUSE you have a dog...no training needed.

trust me on that.
 

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Sometimes we don't always get what we want. What does the dog do now when strangers come around home. The reason I'm asking is that if I wanted a boat ride I would not use my Ford F-150 truck, I suppose I could use the truck but it's not going to be a long boat ride at all. I better be a good swimmer.

Now if this dog barks up a storm when strangers approach you have an alert dog. pair that with a shotgun and your wife will have all the protection she needs. Quite frankly give me a hand sledge and I will take out an attacking bulldog as they really are not built for the job you want. It's not like every dog you take to a trainer can be trained for attack work and that can be in any breed.
 

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I just want to try to it if she is no good at it. Then I can say I tryed. Check this out, this is why i know it is possible.



http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vonbauernhaus.com/sitebuilder/images/vbh-600x393.png&imgrefurl=http://www.vonbauernhaus.com/&usg=__imPxIz2EPaMWedIt9Vd79hLvERs=&h=393&w=600&sz=540&hl=en&start=18&um=1&tbnid=25KMX_ieBYar1M:&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images?q=bulldog+for+home+protection&hl=en&rlz=1T4ACAW_enUS307US307&sa=X&um=1

I also have a tom gardner dog. He has no problem defending him self but I take him with me some times. Like i said is it goting to hurt to try? If so why?

I also have a tom gardner dog. He has no problem defending him self but I take him with me some times. Like i said is it going to hurt to try? If so why?
 

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that picture...doesn't say to me what you think it says.

bulldogs can be trained in bitework yes.

but the question is is the dog the right kind of individual dog that WILL STOP attacking on command? is the dog one who can discriminate on who to attack?

and generally bully breeds and the drives and tendancies found in those breeds are ill suited to that kind of work.

that's why you see more shepherd types in pp and police work and shutzhund because they DO generally have the right temperment for that work.
 

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Good Luck with that. I don't see anything wrong with at least having your dog evaluated. That said, there is a definite difference in the breeds on that link and and Old English Bulldog. American Bulldogs are far more athletic, in general. Finding yourself a Certified Personal Protection Trainer and see what they say. I tend to caution people who wish to do any kind of bite work. IT is a LOT of work and the end result NEEDS to be a dog that is very stable or you are in a whole load of trouble should an accidental bite happen. Can you say Law Suit?
 

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Sometimes we don't always get what we want. What does the dog do now when strangers come around home. The reason I'm asking is that if I wanted a boat ride I would not use my Ford F-150 truck, I suppose I could use the truck but it's not going to be a long boat ride at all. I better be a good swimmer.

Now if this dog barks up a storm when strangers approach you have an alert dog. pair that with a shotgun and your wife will have all the protection she needs. Quite frankly give me a hand sledge and I will take out an attacking bulldog as they really are not built for the job you want. It's not like every dog you take to a trainer can be trained for attack work and that can be in any breed.
Remind me not to accept any invitations to go on a boat ride with you Wvasko. :p

but the question is is the dog the right kind of individual dog that WILL STOP attacking on command? is the dog one who can discriminate on who to attack?
The first half of that statement is correct. The second half is totally wrong.
A PP dog does not decide on it's own who or when to attack. The dog is taught a command word, a code word between the dog and the handler. If he's given the command, then and only then should the dog go after someone.


To the OP, since you asked I will answer; will it hurt to try, no it will not and you don't need the permission of forum members for that. An evaluation is just that, an evaluation of your dog's ability to train in PP. Just make sure you find a reputable trainer and ask for references and ask to sit in on a training session.

As mentioned, a much more reliable form of protection would be to get your wife a pistol, get her to the range and teach her how to handle and shoot the weapon.
 

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What is it going to hurt?
Well, first off, it's going to hurt whoever your dog bites inappropriately.

It's going to hurt your breed- because lord knows the last thing ANYONE needs is more "KILLER PIT BULL" hysteria (and your dog WILL be labeled a PB)

It's goign to hurt your dog, because there's a better than even change he'll end up euthanized.


ETA: BTW, looking at those photos? I could be wrong, as I don't train protection dogs, but all the bulldogs on there look like they're in full play mode- happy ears, soft eyes. They APPEAR to be excited but not working in any sort of defensive drive. I've only seen two bully-type dogs in protection work - one worked fully on prey drive and was adorable but I have serious doubts that she'd EVER bite someone who wasn't wearing a sleeve. The other is a menace and his owner is a macho jerk who should be euthanized or neutered.

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I just want to try to it if she is no good at it. Then I can say I tryed. Check this out, this is why i know it is possible.



http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.vonbauernhaus.com/sitebuilder/images/vbh-600x393.png&imgrefurl=http://www.vonbauernhaus.com/&usg=__imPxIz2EPaMWedIt9Vd79hLvERs=&h=393&w=600&sz=540&hl=en&start=18&um=1&tbnid=25KMX_ieBYar1M:&tbnh=88&tbnw=135&prev=/images?q=bulldog+for+home+protection&hl=en&rlz=1T4ACAW_enUS307US307&sa=X&um=1

I also have a tom gardner dog. He has no problem defending him self but I take him with me some times. Like i said is it goting to hurt to try? If so why?

I also have a tom gardner dog. He has no problem defending him self but I take him with me some times. Like i said is it going to hurt to try? If so why?
 
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