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Yesterday, after 3.5 years together, I finally saw evidence that Kabota has some sort of herding breed in him.

The day after Labor Day, area apartments drain their pools, but first they let the dogs play in the pool for a few hours. Last year, Kabota had no interest in the pool, but he did enjoy playing with the other dogs outside the pool, so we brought him again this year.

Well, some idjit brought two children under the age of 5. (Small children, lots of dogs and a pool? WTF are you thinking?!) We left after a few minutes because as soon as Kabota saw those children, he got very upset and started body blocking them if they even looked at the pool. There was no nipping or chasing or anything, he used his entire body. He was also doing the same to a very tiny Asian woman, who thought Kabota was being friendly, and didn't realize he was putting her in the same category as a 2 and 4 year old. :redface:

On the one hand, it sucks that his fun time was ruined, on the other hand, I guess that's not a bad instinct, right? It's kind of sweet that he was so determined to keep the children safe. On a third hand, now I wonder what he witnessed in his former life that has him so terrified about small children and pools.
 

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It was probably instinct kicking in, so Border Collie it could be.

We adopted Maggie as a 2 month old puppy and she was very afraid of other dogs. We had her for about 5 or 6 years and one of my sons was in the pool with his friend. A dog escaped out of their yard and came into our yard ... Maggie went berserk and had to get outside, we didn't see the other dog. She put herself between the other dog and the kids and kept circling the other dog pushing it further away from the pool. That's when I had the Ah ha moment that BC was in her. It was pure instinct kicking in same as Kabota.

Anyway, GOOD for Kabota! Doing a non thinking parent's job!!!
 

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Honestly, I doubt he's had any horrifying experience with children and pools and I'm not convinced that's really herding behavior either (though he could still be a BC mix, BC mostly don't body block livestock).

It could well just be him continuing to gain confidence and you seeing more bits of his personality. Body blocking kids away from things that excite them is pretty much just 'dog' behavior, IME. Even if the dog doesn't want the thing themselves, they sometimes still try and get in the way to keep others from having it. Bug tries to body block my niece and nephew away from the swing set, the river, and the occasional ball. She doesn't want them, she just gets excited by the motion and the kids wanting the things. She also tries to body block to prevent Molly and Thud playing with each other.

She's... definitely not a herder (nor had any horrible experiences with riverse, swingsets, balls or kids) :p
 

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I don't know.. I think all breeds are very intelligent,, that we only scratch the surface of what they are capable of being... So awesome for Kabota !!!!!!!
 

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Honestly, I doubt he's had any horrifying experience with children and pools and I'm not convinced that's really herding behavior either (though he could still be a BC mix, BC mostly don't body block livestock).

It could well just be him continuing to gain confidence and you seeing more bits of his personality. Body blocking kids away from things that excite them is pretty much just 'dog' behavior, IME. Even if the dog doesn't want the thing themselves, they sometimes still try and get in the way to keep others from having it. Bug tries to body block my niece and nephew away from the swing set, the river, and the occasional ball. She doesn't want them, she just gets excited by the motion and the kids wanting the things. She also tries to body block to prevent Molly and Thud playing with each other.

She's... definitely not a herder (nor had any horrible experiences with riverse, swingsets, balls or kids) :p
Lad rushes to meet my son when he gets up every morning and then gets in his way all the way to the couch (where my son flops and plays dead for at least 10minutes). I know he has had no terrible experiences with couches though he is a herding breed dog. For him it may just be getting in the way and wanting attention. He also blocks him from the table when he finally starts making his way to breakfast.

Duke actually did body block, it came naturally to him and I encouraged it. He would block my son from the street, the stove, and just bolting away from us in general. He definitely wasn't a herder and while his first home wasn't great I don't think his desire to block my son from the street came from that.
 

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Lad rushes to meet my son when he gets up every morning and then gets in his way all the way to the couch (where my son flops and plays dead for at least 10minutes). I know he has had no terrible experiences with couches though he is a herding breed dog. For him it may just be getting in the way and wanting attention. He also blocks him from the table when he finally starts making his way to breakfast.

Duke actually did body block, it came naturally to him and I encouraged it. He would block my son from the street, the stove, and just bolting away from us in general. He definitely wasn't a herder and while his first home wasn't great I don't think his desire to block my son from the street came from that.
I think to some degree Bug is also looking for attention, but also for some reason this is... just how she responds to excitement? Like she doesn't want the little kids to pay attention to her, really. She's OKAY with kids but not crazy about them. She just sees them being all happy and excited and that makes her excited and her way of handling that is to get in front of them and try and keep them away from whatever the exciting thing is. Her body blocking Thud and Molly is, usually, a sad attempt to make them play with her instead, and sometimes kind of works.
 

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Honestly, I doubt he's had any horrifying experience with children and pools and I'm not convinced that's really herding behavior either (though he could still be a BC mix, BC mostly don't body block livestock).

It could well just be him continuing to gain confidence and you seeing more bits of his personality. Body blocking kids away from things that excite them is pretty much just 'dog' behavior, IME. Even if the dog doesn't want the thing themselves, they sometimes still try and get in the way to keep others from having it. Bug tries to body block my niece and nephew away from the swing set, the river, and the occasional ball. She doesn't want them, she just gets excited by the motion and the kids wanting the things. She also tries to body block to prevent Molly and Thud playing with each other.

She's... definitely not a herder (nor had any horrible experiences with riverse, swingsets, balls or kids) :p
I've seen that behavior, but Kabota was upset. Not happy or excited or overstimulated, he was truly distressed.
 

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I definitely think Kabota could be a herding breed mix or any number of breeds.

One thing though is that most dogs will display 'herding breed' behavior to an extent whether they are herders or not because herding is modified prey drive. In some cases it could be a good indication of breed and in others not so much. For example Summer when she was young heel nipped worse than 2/3 of my Shelties. My male was definitely the most nippy but Summer was nippier than the girls. I've also seen a lab mutt that seriously looked almost 100% lab that acted more BC than a lot of BCs I know. In that case I do think the dog is part BC though. She has amber eyes and her ears are just a bit off for a lab but she has so much eye it's unreal. I guess it could be something like pointing lab since that kind of instinct can look similar. Idk I'm getting off track.

I've honestly never seen body blocking in BCs. Usually when their instinct is kicking in its circling around with tail down or crouch and eye or nip. I did see one BC who would 'wear' behind other dogs like they were a flock of sheep.

I think of body blocking as guardian type stuff more but I could be off about that.
 

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That doesnt sound like herding, they sounds more like something a retriever like a golden would do, I have known a few goldens who would protect their owners kids like that, especially around water. But true herding instinct is the "crouch and stare", nipping and biting at heels and clothing (which is what I have ... yay me LOL), barking.

I have also witnessed our LGD body blocking the old goat we had from falling down the dam into our tank on several occasions, then he would walk with her, he on the side of the water until she walked down off it, kind of like he was escorting her, I only saw him do it a few times but my folks said he did it every time she went up there (the grass was really good up there).

Lincoln will run ahead and then come back and "get" me, nip the backs of my pants, and run around me, barking to try and "move" me because I am not moving fast for him (sorry dude bipedal human here, LOL).
 

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I had a German Shepherd (herder) block my young son from a cottonmouth. He kept my son back and the snake at bay, barking until someone (my dad) came and killed the snake. It was in my parents' yard and was at least 5 ft. long.
 

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I have owned herding type dogs for a long time and body blocking and this kind of behavior is not unique to herding breeds, get him on some stock, or fowl, then you will see if he really has instinct.
 
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