Show me some science on this. I agree it shouldn't be a major component of a food but show me the science on digestibility and allergies. There are at least 28 peer reviewed studies that show corn is only responsible for about 2-3% of valid and very rare food allergies, about the same as rice or potatoes.Corn. Historically, the waste from producing corn for human consumption was first put into dog food to make money off of it. It causes a myriad of problems for many dogs - a big cause of kibble allergy, along with wheat and soy. Look at the ingredients of many lower quality kibbles - corn (often named in several different ways) will be in the first 3-5 ingredients - total filler. It simply goes out the other end, causing larger poos, b/c it can't be digested by dogs.
Yup ... just like I have an irrational fear that all my other dogs will die the "same" untimely death from the same "exact" disease from ingesting ethoxyquin .........Isn't a "phobia", by definition, an irrational fear? And you want people to submit proof? LOL.
In science beet pulp is not controversial.Yup ... just like I have an irrational fear that all my other dogs will die the "same" untimely death from the same "exact" disease from ingesting ethoxyquin .........
Beet pulp is a controversial subject ... as it is a filler/fiber. Fiber is good for the colon. But that list of controversy goes on and on ... from what I have read ... not saying any of it is true ... just because it is written on the internet. :/
There will always be two sides to the corn debate. Here's one source:
Here's another: http://www.muttropolis.com/content/allergies-dog.cfm
And another: http://www.dogfoodadvisor.com/dog-food-industry-exposed/dog-food-corn/
While many other ingredients can cause problems for dogs as seen in several of these links, corn is not altogether innocent either.
I prefer to not have it in my dog's kibble, along with wheat and soy.
OK, so you asked people to post their "favorite food phobias," and your goal seems to be to bash what people post and demand proof...for educational purposes? And it seems like really you just want to argue with people? Lovely.Yes because they don't realize it is irrational. By asking for proof they learn.
Not only that but he doesn't want to link to any proof to back up his own claims.OK, so you asked people to post their "favorite food phobias," and your goal seems to be to bash what people post and demand proof...for educational purposes? And it seems like really you just want to argue with people? Lovely.
Corn has no "gluten", Oats have no "gluten", Rice has no "gluten", Barley has some "gluten" but it is actually very low.What about intolerances? Gluten intolerance in humans isn't an allergy, but they can't eat gluten anyway. I agree that histaminic reactions (true allergies) to grains are rare but I think intolerances are fairly common.
I use a food with human grade whole ground corn and any food from an EU Cert plant will use the same. The combination of rice and corn is unbeatable.@WalterDog is pretty much spot on. People hate on corn for the wrong reasons imho. Processed corn products is not a significant source of allergies. However, you should shy away where it is used together with soy as a (deceptive) protein booster. Quality formulas shouldn't source large amounts of proteins from plants. Corn is a decent (not more than decent though) source of energy and can play a role when you want to add extra energy and/or keep cost at a reasonable level. Personally I stay away from kibble with corn simply because I believe there are other better alternatives that can play the same role in the formula. But if I where in a situation where I had lots of dogs/high feeding costs/special training program etc., I wouldn't turn down formulas with corn products in them if they where there for the right reasons.
Beet pulp (sans sugar) is not a filler. It's a good source of dietary fiber necessary for absorption and assimilation of essential vitamins and minerals. A hardcore PMR feeder can argue it's a filler but then most things going into kibble would be a filler. So, for the rest of us, a quality fiber is not a filler. It's one of those myths that refuses to die.
But hey, this is a phobia thread so people can have phobias over all sorts of stuff, I have my fair share My food phobia is China, plain and simple.
The "gluten" associated with intolerances is specific to grasses like wheat, barley and rye. The term "gluten" is used too liberally. Barley & Rye have just trace amounts, though.I wasn't talking about gluten in particular. I meant dietary intolerances in general.
And rice gluten is a common ingredient in pet foods.