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I'll see if I can get a couple GSD people in here to give you an honest evaluation of the dogs. I'd look up all sires/dams in hte ofa data base to see if there's health testing info on them (very important).
 

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Just on first impressions, I'm gonna say that any website with "4sale" in the name seems pretty shady. But who knows. . .maybe they just got stuck with a crummy url.
 

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On first glance, I wouldn't recommend them. You can always contact them, of course, but what health testing do they do? Anything beyond hips and elbows? Do they trial their dogs in anything, or work them in real life situations?

What line of GSD are you looking for? Euro show, American show, Czech, DDR, West German working?

What do you plan on doing with this dog? Do you know about the health issues that occur in the breed (beyond hip and elbow dysplasia)? Are you familiar with degenerative myelopathy, mesenteric torsion, bloat, pannus, or perianal fistulas? What about spondylosis? Megaesophagus?
 

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I don't like that they are breeding on just Prelims. I HAVE known cases where a dog will pass OFAs on Prelims and then go on to produce progeny that do not pass on elbows or hips. It is true that there is no guarantee and even dogs that do OFA Fair/Good/Excellent produce dysplastic pups but I would like the odds stacked in my favor. Looking at the pedigrees of their breeding dogs, I am less than impressed by the hip/elbow health within the lines and see no reason for the breeding dogs to not have been officially health tested.

This breeder owns some lovely dogs from well known West German show lines, and aesthetically they are quite nice. However, I find their breeding goals to be fairly generic (good temperament, health, and structure, etc.) and would be extremely interested in having an in depth discussion with them, especially regarding how they go about evaluating such temperament, health, and structure.
 
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