Where did I say Science Diet wasn't crap? I just said that Orijen costs twice as much as the crap food.
this is not totally true. A vegan diet for humans is GARBAGE without a whole lot of specialized(read: expensive and typically unnatural) foods.People say the same about people - and they are wrong. Vegan diets are perfectly healthy for people. I can't speak for animals, and I wasn't speaking to that. I commend the Humane Society for attempting to address a major issue in the pet food market - that virtual all food options (even 'holistic' brands) are made with factory farmed meat.
I tried TOTW on my guys. It's more expensive than the stuff I normally feed too and had no effect on my guys. Fed it for a couple of months. No change in energy level, coat, etc..... I just got more expensive poop. My guys may just be immune to premium foods. Dunno.Orijen isn't the best for every one, either. Certainly didn't do Smalls and Jonas any good. We fed it for six months and they never adjusted. They consistently had loose poop, if not diarrhea. Works for me as I was paying 70 some dollars a bag for it. There is no one size fits all dog food.
We feed TOTW. EVERY one does well on it here. Does that make it the best food EVAR? Not for every one. Mine just do well on it and so we're sticking with it.
This times about 4 trilion.... very well said Zimthis is not totally true. A vegan diet for humans is GARBAGE without a whole lot of specialized(read: expensive and typically unnatural) foods.
and as for pets. Dogs are carnivores and cats are obligate carnivores.
You will kill a cat if you deny it meat based proteins. You will have a weak dog prone to issues if you deny it meat based proteins(there are rare exceptions to this and those rare exceptions have to do with fairly upsetting disorders.)
that's all i got to say. feeding carnivorous pets a vegan diet constitutes animal abuse in my mind and it makes me sick to my stomach that something called a HUMANE society would ENCOURAGE people to do such a screwed up thing.
I've found in my extensive food sampling (Smalls has intestinal issues and it provides for a difficult time finding food) that it really is a crap shoot. I absolutely love Orijen and think it's a great food- we just can't feed it. I also love TOTW and thankfully it works. When we got each of the dogs they were being fed various diets I would find crappy (Jack and Jonas were eating Science Diet, and Magpie was eating some grocery store brand I had never heard of) and they seemed a-OK. My parents dog ate Ol' Roy his entire life and lived to be 20. When Smalls was eating Pedigree years ago she basically only had runny poop and was in and out of the vet. Now she's been eating TOTW for a hot minute and she nas not been to the e-vet in over two years.I tried TOTW on my guys. It's more expensive than the stuff I normally feed too and had no effect on my guys. Fed it for a couple of months. No change in energy level, coat, etc..... I just got more expensive poop. My guys may just be immune to premium foods. Dunno.
Could you you give some examples of these specialized foods? I'm very curious.this is not totally true. A vegan diet for humans is GARBAGE without a whole lot of specialized(read: expensive and typically unnatural) foods.
Your thoughts are uninformed. Please do some research on this, as I believe you are wrong. In fact I know you are.Dogs aren't supposed to be vegan are my thoughts on it. I just dont understand why some vegetarians and vegans (not all obviously) try to impose their nutritional beliefs on animals that NATURALLY eat meat. If they are concerned with the way the animals are treated before slaughter, that is fine, but let your (general you) meat eating critter eat meat....