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Long time dog mama here. I am doing some small research to try and find what kind of dog food would be the best for my dogs, because we used to buy Blue Buffalo, and just found out that there is a class action suit because of lead poisoning in the "life bits" which are the vitamin additives. They are sourced from China! Yay!
Gravy Train was just found to include euthanizing drugs in the food. That drug is strictly monitored, and is ONLY released for euthanizing animals. Which means... . . remember why there was mad cow? Feeding ground cows, to the cows?

So I am on a rampage trying to find out what brand might decide to be a clean, honest brand...while I look for recipes for home-made items.

Also, did you know that 90%...of the *world's* vitamin C, human grade, is from China. B vitamins, 70% and folic acid 50%. I'm stunned. There are only a few US manufacturers for Vitamin C. So, what else don't we know?

Anyway, to set aside the rant....I love my dogs. I have a 14 year old beagle named Daisy, an 8 year old basset hound, named Bowser, and a 7 month old Sheltie puppy named Finn Murray Craig! : )
I also have done zoo work, and have a lot of little critters, fish, and plants with my hubby of 12 years.
If you're interested in what I find, I will post links if you like. Also, If you have information, I am eager to learn what you know, as well! Thank you all!

Melissa
 

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There are plenty of people here on the same quest as you: to feed foods free from Chinese ingredients.

Champion (Acana/Orijen) and Horizon Pet Nutrition both use to proudly claim to source all of their ingredients from within North America, but neither company outright state this on their websites anymore. However, both companies still claim to be focused on local/regionally sourced ingredients. And Champion doesn't use synthetic vitamin/mineral supplements, and instead balances the nutritional profiles of its food with botanicals (dried herbs, fruits, vegetables, etc.).

Petcurean used to source all of it's ingredients (including supplements) within North America, but they've now moved to a 100% China-free policy, allowing them to still use ingredients from Europe and elsewhere (namely lamb from Australia and New Zealand). ("Where are the ingredients used in your products sourced?" https://www.petcurean.com/blog/ingredient-faqs/)
 

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Hmm.........just as a matter of interest. It took a full ten years of very hard research and almost a court case to get 4 out of the top ten pet food manufacturers to finally admit that even with today's technology, no pet food period, neither cat nor dog, can be produced that contains the daily nutrients required. It just simply cannot be done and those that claim they can are lying.
 

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Hmm.........just as a matter of interest. It took a full ten years of very hard research and almost a court case to get 4 out of the top ten pet food manufacturers to finally admit that even with today's technology, no pet food period, neither cat nor dog, can be produced that contains the daily nutrients required. It just simply cannot be done and those that claim they can are lying.
Could you please provide sources?
 

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Years ago Jean Dodds used to live in Alberta, and after one of her clients lost a mother and complete litter to canned food she began her research, as did I, and Dr. Wendell Belfield, (he has a website.) All of us came up with the same conclusions. I myself has a degree in animal sciences and spent my entire working life doing research and training law enforcement dogs. (leader of a 4 man team.) Our aim was simple; why do wild wolves live on average 18 years (I have one) whereas the domestic dog only lives on average 11 years. One has everything going for it, love, affection, food, companionship, yet dies so early. We tracked wolves, coyotes, African hunting dogs etc., then compared our findings to the domestic dog. The results were frightening and all boiled down to one thing. What they're eating. In order for any diet to be of any use at all, the BV (Biologic Value) HAS to be above 70 to be of any use. Anything less than that and the dog goes steadily down hill. Two independent labs tested every brand known, at our expense, and found the highest BV to be no more than 15, with the percentage of meat so low it couldn't register. More for those interested.
 

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Oooh...wrong again. The oldest captive wolf lived to be 24. You can't dispute research that's been going on for over 35 years and I highly recommend researching Wendell Belfeild, the foremost authority on pet foods. Jean Dodds and her client both sued of course and it was settled out of court. These companies will stop at nothing to prevent these facts from becoming public and I have spent a lifetime fighting it, they don't like me at all. The facts are the facts and cannot be disputed although they'll never admit this publicly. What you have to watch for are companies that produce pet foods as a 'second industry', such as Mars, and Golgate Pomolive. They add anything and get away with it because it's a self regulating industry, governments don't want to get involved. I also highly recommend reading the Merck Veterinary Dictionary, under 'Nutrition'. That's downright frightening.
 

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shabess, That's true, and I did forget about the second industry stuff....mainly because we'd settled on Blue for so long!

You guys have great points, and I am just eating it up! Thank you all so much.
Working in zoo's and feeding specific diets to exotic animals, myself, I know that though nutrition is a large part of the health of the animal, however many reasons they live so long is just simply being safe, and having medications. My last zoo was full of elderly animals, including the longest living Abyssinian Ground Hornbill in captivity, and Mountain Lion. (I was shocked to learn about Barn owls...in the wild they have many young, which if they grow up, live 2-4 years. In captivity, they live an average of 20, though many go blind (The longest living was 34). For Mt. Lions, the one I worked with was 17, and probably would have lived to 4-7 in the wild. He took iv fluids ever other day, and was on medicine for his kidneys, and joint supplements. They have a whole industry now, where zoo foods are actually shipped to the zoo just like bags of dog food (and supplemented on site with veggies, meat, etc.) My first thought was "I wonder how much of this kibble is actually good for them".
The hornbill actually lives over 40 years in the wild...but everyone has been astounded to find the female in that zoo at 43. Apparently, they haven't lived very long in captivity before, because of housing issues. So, not even nutrition. That one in-particular had a lame wing because she had been housed in a multi-species enclosure, and something big stomped on her. It happened young, and due to her being put aside separately, she lived to her full potential.
Anyway, it's not always food. Mammals will tend to absorb as much nutrients as possible from their diet, and in starving situations over long periods of time, the villa (specifically absorptive enterocytes) in the intestine can basically even grow longer to help absorb more. (Long changes cause adaptation to diet. Stress, temperature, and the nutrients absorbed in utero are also factors, but basically absorption changes in life. This is heavily documented, even in humans. Check out regrowth from Celiac disease, and a surgery called Biliopancreatic Diversion with Duodenal Switch. And yes, there are differences in ruminants, humans, canines, etc., but it's still basically the same.)
YET I digress. In a perfect world, these animals will all get varied diets, and a lot of it. Which is usually why they don't have to have such complicated diets as animals in human care do. I just meant our animals try to be resilient, however if we're feeding the same food every day for their lives, they can't absorb what isn't given. Also, life in the wild is hard, lol. But that doesn't always mean humans can provide something perfect.

The true problem really is the quality, and safety of the food offered. You can tell when a being is missing vitamins...there are physical symptoms. But how can you know unless you've memorized all of the issues, and keep an eye out for them? Then there's flat out poison. That doesn't detect until it's too late. Also the greed of these companies is to lie and misuse terms, and imply that they have healthy, safe product. You think it's okay. Which is even more evil, because you trust what they say, you pay big bucks, and you could still lose your animal.

I know for a while we all thought Canadian foods were a great source, but that turned out to be completely false. Supposedly Australia has very high standards (gingerkid I am going to look into Petcurean next for sure!) so here's hoping.
Currently we've been trying Nature's Recipe, Vegetarian, and mixed with a bag of their turkey & potato. But, I'm only using 4 tablespoons each day for each dog, because we're slowly mixing it with homemade, and phasing it out. (We got the soy vegetarian food about 5 years ago or so for my basset hound, because he was breaking out in hives when he'd have beef, or chicken. We assumed hormones. We always did mix it, because he's picky, lol. But we mixed with Blue, and fed the beagle blue.)

In October we got our little Sheltie pup, and then I really started going in on the protein, the vits, the amino acids...and no real proof that any of the puppy foods out there were going to give him all of the things he needed to grow and be healthy. So, I supplement. Lots of promises on the vitamin bottle, that's for sure. Also that was another kick in the face, to find out how many vitamins are sourced from China *rolls eyes* it's just so discouraging, and frustrating.
Now we have a couple of huge pots and cook up about 15 pounds of food, which last us about 2 weeks, with my 3 monsters. We're afraid to feed them store bought dog food, and afraid to take them totally off of it in case we are missing something.
For instance: How often should your dog truly defecate, a day? Metabolism is part of it, and moisture, and fiber. How much do they really need of each? Well each actual dog is different. It's annoying (LOL). We're keeping track of the anal glands, and that gives us a little bit of info. But not much. I always figured companies added extra fiber to be a filler, and to make the dog defecate more often, so they'd want to eat more often, and you felt like they needed to.

Our 14 year old beagle typically eats 2 cups a day, spread out. She's 32 pounds, and not overweight, or skinny. The 8 year old basset is 53 pounds, and also eats 2 cups. The sheltie is almost grown at 22 pounds, and he eats 1 1/3 cup a day. He was poopin 4 times a day on dog food, and now 3 on our food. The basset is always once a day. The beagle used to be 4, and is now 3 times a day.
We made our meals 30% protein, 20% fats, and 50% carbs. Rice, stone oats, we added spinach, and blueberries, tomato paste (all three adore veggies, and the basset's favorite treat ever is tomato, lol)...i forget our huge list of ingredients. Fish and turkey are the primary though (I want them to have the omega 3 but man they smell better without the fish, lol!) I know we pureed almost all of it because they STOPPED chewing, the little jerks, they love the food so much.

Anyway that's a long post, sorry!
I had only heard about ALL of the dog food not being free from Chinese ingredients, when I started my search again. It's on many qualified and official sites. Including FDA. But, yes, I firmly believe that big business has pushed down all news of it that they can. That's kind of one of the main reasons i started this thread. No one is going to realize they even need to dig for more info, unless we all spread it around that it's necessary. Consumers run the world, we just don't ever realize it. Big Business thinks they do, they think they can squash the truth. I'm just hoping that enough people realize it, and can do something about it. Right now all we can do is resort to trying to become nutritionists ourselves! Not many people have a change to go that far. It's sad, and very frustrating.
 

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shabess, I did read something about this in the past. I would love some more information on what you have found out. I would love to just send it out to every person and MAKE these stupid big companies do what is morally correct. Fat chance, but *shrug*
What do you feed your animals?
Does your wolf eat a raw diet? I wasn't on the coyotes or African singing dogs at the zoo I was with. It kind of just looked like they ate kibble with ground full cow, raw on top. I don't know if they were supplemented anything else vitamin wise, or protein variety wise.
 

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I just wanted to post this, as I'm following a lot of food related threads right now. This is one of the best short, and to the point presentations i've seen on dog nutrition. It's only about 2 minutes. I encourage a gander!

https://youtu.be/2S39_fo7-Xo

(No i don't know this vet, lol. Seems to be a good resource though!)
 
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