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Xeph and I and another girl will be going down near north Milwaukee on saturday to take part in a fun Herding instinct test. Xeph will be bringing Strauss and I will be bringing Hawkeye and my friend's aussie, Jet. Our other friend will be bringing her Pembroke Corgi.

Basicaly what they do is put 3 sheep in a circular pen about 25-30 feet in diameter. Then you bring your dog in the pen on a leash with the instructor. Once your dog shows a healthy intrest in the sheep you are allowed to take them off leash to see what they will do. They stay in the ring for about 5 to 10 minutes and it only cost $5.

Xeph I think they might allow Strauss to work in a bigger pen since the round pen might restrict his movements a bit. Last year they allowed a border collie to work it's instinct test out in the pasture, because of the way border collies herd, they need lots of room.

If anyone lives nearby and would like info on the test send me a PM.
 

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good luck!

just remember ..not all herding dogs turn on the first several times when exposed to the instinct test so if your dog shows little or no interest wait a few weeks or months and try again and things can change...Take a pic or video!
Oh by the way it is often not good to start a dog off in a big area regardless of the breed. A dog that becomes overbearing and not under ideal conditions to be shut down or controlled can and often does result in a bad situation for everyone including the sheep.. The idea on a instinct test is to provide really dog broke sticky (sticks like velcro to the human and does not run off to escape from the dog) sheep and allow for quick control of the dog should it become nippy or chasing down the sheep...which is not considered herding.

thought I would inlclude some links to show what it looks like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOOuAIm0Wjk&feature=PlayList&p=591953296FE4B720&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oy75yjVb_dU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=guzWLgDdrlI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mX4wieXqGs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=345ppfy14so
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9pm0tP1PIj4








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This is what I did with Atka when she was 8 months old. I went to watch and ended up letting her go. She was so absolutely focused and good at it that the ONLY untested dog that did better was a single Border Collie (and there were several BC's, but not all had the instinct).

The trainer liked Atka so much she wants her back for 30 days of training. She has gone back twice for training. Last time she graduated to off line in a very large field and more sheep.

Here is a photo of her in the small pen b4 she graduated to more sheep and a much larger area.

Good Luck. Take picutres. Update here after!

Aussies are drivers for small areas and used in the pens to separate but GSD's are bred to tend sheep which is way different. The fact that Atka took to driving so quickly says a great deal posibitive about her abilities and potential.
 

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I love it! I hope you all have fun. I think it woudl be awesome to watch, and I sincerely hope that you all post pictures.

Shephers, Aussies and Corgis all have such different herding methods, from what I understand. I would love for each of you to get a video and post it so that I can geek out and watch them all.

Sammies are an odd ball breed- they're actually considered more herders by those in the breed then draft dogs (like malamutes, for example).

Lots of people feel that if a samm can't herd, then it's not a samoyed.

Once I get my pup, I think I'll at least get a herding test.
 

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I cannot watch vids at home.. dial up..

And they blocked U tube here at work....

so please post some stills! :)
 

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Have fun!! We took our Jett last Nov and he passed. It was great watching him. At first he had no clue what he was doing and it was great to see him all of a sudden get it.
 

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I did this test with Kechara last year and she did wonderful.

The woman doing the training is Hawkeye's breeder Marie Murphy. And so I'm sure she'll be quite embaressed if Hawkeye dosn't turn on to the the sheep right away lol, as he is a reflection of her kennel.

And I guess it's up to the people who own the farm weather they will allow a dog to work in a large or small pasture. And yes all the sheep are dog broke for this herding test.
 

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I just hope Strauss doesn't eat the sheep x.x
 

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I know Marie! My first time at trailing in ASCA was at her place about 12 years ago and she has a good facility. WOW! what a small world. On the issue of turning on, I have observed dozens of dogs from excellent breedings to include champion herding breedings that do not turn on in the first introduction to livestock so I am sure Marie would not be embarrased as I am sure she has experienced/observed that often in her herding adventures. Post us a video!!!!

good luck!
 

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I just hope Strauss doesn't eat the sheep x.x
Me too otherwise you'll be buying them a new sheep(I think around $100). but Like I said they only allow the dog off leash if they show a "healthy" intrest. Meaning no snaping at the sheep. I'm sure if Strauss is just noisy they wont care. But if he goes to grab them like they were giant bite sleeves that's no-no lol.
 

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well this one I found out about because Hawkeye's breeder told me about it. But if you want to go to an AKC or ASCA sanctioned one just go to their websites and do a search for future events
 
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