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Dog won't stop peeing

my dog luke is part weenie dog and some other things he is a mutt and is not that big. he always pees when i go to pet him I don't know why because I don't hit him I only have yelled a couple of times. Like when be bite my daughter other than that I don't even yell or get mad when he does this supmesive peeing i just make him go back into his kennel. can some one please help me I want to keep him but if I can't find out how to help him stop then I will have to give him away and I really don't want to he is to cute and he is a really good dog other wise very smart. he is 5 months old.
 

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To be honest it doesn't matter whether you have hit or yelled at him, if he's submissively urinating he finds you frightening...could be a deep voice, the way you move or even something as simple as yelling at him once if he's a sensitive or fearful puppy.

What happened with your daughter? How did it occur? What did you do to punish him? Do you leave him and the daughter unsupervised (recipe for disaster, that is)?

How are you housetraining him?

BTW, it is really a bad idea to use the crate as punishment. For many reasons. And punishing a dog for submissive urination by ostracizing him when all he was doing was trying to APPEASE you (which is what submissive urination is about) is just going to increase the problem, your frustration and Luke's confusion about what YOU mean to him.

Get a good positive puppy trainer in to help you, in person. I have a feeling there is much going on here that can be fixed (both for Luke and for you and your family) and if you don't work on things now, it will be all that much harder.

You talk about giving him away! He's a PUPPY, an INFANT and the mistakes happening are yours, not his. Dogs don't come out of the box already trained. It's hard work and patience, just like dealing with babies and toddlers. Puppies are pretty much blank slates so any issues that crop up are either development stages in the puppies life (normal stuff, like teething, nipping, suddenly not "hearing" you etc) or are caused by training mistakes/misunderstandings by the owners..the humans in the picture. I dont' mean to be harsh here, but writing that you may have to give him away because of this issue that is more than likely not Luke's fault..well, that just upsets me. Millions of dogs every year are given up because of owner mistakes..things that are not the fault of the dog. I understand you are frustrated, really. We've all (or at least most of us) have been there..and yes, we all screw up occasionally but please remember it is not the pup's fault.

I highly recommend you pick up a copy of "Before and After Getting your Puppy" by Ian Dunbar and/or "The Puppy Whisperer" by Paul Owens. These books are a wealth of information on how to raise a puppy right and about learning stages, development and training.
 

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well house training took him like 2 or 3 weeks and now I don't even have to ask when he has to pee or poop i put bells on the door and he rings them when he has to go that took one day. he is smart and did not alway submisively pee I know giving him away is harsh but I am the only one in the house who makes him do this and yes he is my dog I am the master in his eyes. he listen good but every once and a while he just does it I can't explain it and now it is like every time I go to pet him. now if I am on the couch and call him in to my lap then he is ok. as for my daughter and luke together infront of me I saw him bite they were playing and I yelled no and put him in the kennel yes I was mad but it happens. so what should I do if not to put him in his kennel?
 

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Okay, for the submissive urination you have to make sure you don't yell at him or lean over him too much...can you tell me what exactly is happening (what you and he are doing) when it happens, as you say it doesn't happen everytime? Figuring out the why is half the battle. He needs to feel safer with you so build up his confidence with fun training games with lots of rewards and go slow with him when handling him physically.

For your daughter...puppies don't understand that children are not their littermates and biting/nipping/jumping etc happens a lot. Did he draw blood? Bruise her? or was it an ouchy but "puppy nip" sort of thing? Was she trying to take anything away from him? Was she playing excitedly with him? 99 percent of the time it is a miscommunication between the child and the puppy that causes nipping. More details are needed.

When he submissively urinates, you CAN put him in the crate while you clean up the mess but do not get angry or irritated, give him a chewy or kong while he's in the crate and you clean up the accident. It's all about HOW you use the crate and what sort of state of mind you are in when you use it.
 

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he did not draw blood but you know daddy instinct to protect my baby it has happend again since then but I do not yell at him I tell my daughter not to do what ever she did. in what ever case it may be taking something, getting to rough, or to loud.

when he does the submisive pee is from the very time I get home when I go to pet him whether i get down low, talk soft, stand tall, or call him to me then some times he is in a good play mood and runs to me no prob. I am trying to pin point the why but man I am stumped. ok well maybe when I was trying to teach him not to jump. what I would do was call him to me if he would jump i would grab his paws and hold them for a while till he began to pull back when he put all 4rs on the ground I would say good boy reward and give a treat this worked. sometimes while holding his paws he would bite hard then I would say DON'T BITE loud and let go but I never grabbed his paws hard because the first time I did that I realized that was not good. after that I noticed that he would start to supmisive pee when I would call him to great me or whatever. so last week I tried to go a head and let him jump by calling him with a treat and letting him jump as long as he did not pee I would treat him. I don't know. what should I do when he pees like that treat him?
 

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ok well maybe when I was trying to teach him not to jump. what I would do was call him to me if he would jump i would grab his paws and hold them for a while till he began to pull back when he put all 4rs on the ground I would say good boy reward and give a treat this worked. sometimes while holding his paws he would bite hard then I would say DON'T BITE loud and let go but I never grabbed his paws hard because the first time I did that I realized that was not good.

That little bit of writing explains a LOT.

Okay. You call your puppy to you. He's EXCITED to see you, he jumps up because you have not taught him how not to (and grabbing his paws is NOT the way to do this..more on this later) and then even though he is coming to you because he MISSED you, you grab his front paws and squeeze. You CALLED him. You asked him to come to you and then you punished him. That's a pretty mixed and painful message for a puppy. He hasn't learned not to jump on you, he's learned coming to you, or you coming home, causes him discomfort. Think about that for a bit.

Try to think of it like it was your daughter. You come home, she comes running up "DADDY" and jumps into your arms and accidentally bumps you in the face...do you grab her arms and squeeze and say NO DON"T DO THAT? If you did, how do you think she would approach you the next time?

You now have confused your pup. He doesn't KNOW what to do or not to do because he needs to be taught the "right " things in human world. All he knows is that his owner is unpredictable. This is what causes the submissive urination...he is saying "don't hurt me, I'm harmless and just a baby".

You now have your work cut out for you. Not only have you possibly caused an issue in teaching your dog to come to you but you need to have him learn to trust you.

If you can get in a trainer to help you I highly recommend it. You MUST be patient and calm in all dealings with your pup if he's going to learn to trust you again. You must be the "giver of all things good"..but you will need help to get started. Look for a good puppy class or a personal trainer who only uses positive methods.

Get the books I mentioned earlier.

The way to teach a puppy not to jump up is to teach him to sit on cue, this takes time and practice and many many repetitions. For management you do "ignore" ..he jumps up and you cross your arms and turn away. As soon as he stops he gets a good boy and a reward. Dogs jump up out of excitement and because they want to be CLOSE to you, so if you take away any attention by turning away and then reward their four on the floor, that is the behaviour that earns them attention and they will start doing it more often.

Teaching by grabbing the paws only teaches him that your hands hurt.

You CAN fix this. You made a mistake but do some research and learn the better way. Punishment only creates more issues.

Good luck. He's a very cute puppy and I'm sure he will develop into a GREAT dog as long as you consider HIS needs along with your own.
 

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sometimes while holding his paws he would bite hard then I would say DON'T BITE loud and let go but I never grabbed his paws hard because the first time I did that I realized that was not good. after that I noticed that he would start to supmisive pee when I would call him to great me or whatever. so last week I tried to go a head and let him jump by calling him with a treat and letting him jump as long as he did not pee I would treat him. I don't know. what should I do when he pees like that treat him?
Yeah, basically you growled loudly at him for coming to you - that will certainly bring about a calming signal when called to come to you - which is what submissive urination is - a VERY strong calming signal asking for you to be peaceful with him.

Don't worry about the jumping - you're going to have to get him back to the point where he wanted to jump on you in the first place, i.e. excited to see and greet you.

If he knows other commands, work on those with calmness. Catch him doing something you like and just reward him for it. Just out of the blue. If he's sitting calmly, reward him. Maybe lying down watching you - reward him. If he comes to you on his own - big reward. Got to get the conflicted feelings out. Conflicted feelings will slow a dog's actions and make them try to be appeasing instead of free and easy-going.

Remember, your pup is trying to learn how the dynamics are and how to approach you. Everything is determining his social experience with you and will shape his interactions with you. Direct him with patience and show him that rewards and good things come from you, and I'm willing to bet the peeing will go away as he won't feel as strongly about needing to appease you. Might get nose-licks instead of peeing, a much lesser signal.
I would try a different cue for coming than the one you used before, just to remove the risk of creating these feelings whenever he hears that cue.
 

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ok that makes since. I didn't think of it that way and by the way I was playing with him earlier and when I do I know I will never get rid of him I just get frustrated some times I really love luke he is a really good pup. I think he may have the mange too I need to get to a vet right what can I do in the mean time. Dang that do is so smart I really need to have more patients. thank ya'll for the help too.
 

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If you think your dog has mange, he needs a vet exam right away. Has he ever been to the vet? If not, he needs to go for things like a stool check for worms and vaccinations too. There is no other way to deal with mange IMO than going to the vet first as you need it diagnosed and that requires a skin scraping etc.

I read your post last night about squeezing your puppies front feet and I was just too tired to write it all up. Cracker and KB Lover have done a nice job explaining it.

In a more concise way here is the best way to think of it.

When your dog comes to you, no matter how tired your are, how mad you are at the dog for something he just did or how bad your day is going, you ALWAYS make coming to you a positive and happy experience for the dog. NEVER call the dog to you and do anything he is not going to like. Ever.

If the dog has a behavior you do not like, what behavior do you want him to do instead? Teach that and ask for it when he does something you don't like.

For instnace, if he is playing with your daughter and he gets too rough... redirect his attention to a toy and have him play with that (may require you to play too). If you don't want him to jump on you, teach him to do what you want instead (like sit quietly).

There is a book you can get that will help you I think. "The Complete Idiots Guide to Positive Dog Training" by Pamela Dennison. Please do not be put off by the title.. is it just a name.

I am not sure if you are in the US or another country so I am not sure how available this is to you. It is published by Penguin books and is one of the "Complete Idiots Guide" series.. sort of like those "For dummies" books.
 

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Ok thank you I will look for that book and yes I live in Port Arthur Texas around Beaumont and only 100 miles from Houston. any way thank you for your suggestion I will pick up this book.

do you guys think he may be spraying too because i notices he has done some of this trickling when i am in the other room not like he has to pee but that like a few drops here and there.
 

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How often does he get out to pee? He might be trying to hold it too long? If he is a small dog he may need to get out more often. He might also have a medical problem, so when you take him to the vet to find out about the allergy or mange, you should ask about this.
 

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he goes out when ever he want he rings the bells quit often to go out and i always let him out
 

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Is it pee or could it be from panting? dogs that are hot pant to cool themselves (can't sweat) and will leave drops of water around as part of that process. Sometimes it is a little more than drops.. depends on the dog.
 

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nope it is pee I have been working with him but really don't know what to do to start.
 
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