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I just got back from taking my nephews to the movie "UP" It was a cute kids flick. I laughed, they laughed and we had a really good time. For any of you that saw it though, you might have noticed several very recognizable breeds in the movie. It makes me sort of sad that Hollywood ALWAYS portrays my favorite breeds as the "tough, not so nice" breeds. The Golden Retriever type was once again the friendly dog. (though not too smart)
In the end ALL of the dogs were friendly supportive and doing good things. I give them credit for showing that it is really all about the owner when it comes to things like that.

Anyone else see the movie? How do you feel about how certain breeds or dogs in general are portrayed in the movies? Examples?
 

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I agree....in a lot of Disney movies the "bad" dogs are usually rotties or dobies...it is a little sad :(
 

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I thought the dogs of "Up" were a lot of fun. That Golden, such a typical golden. LOL I didn't mind them making those breeds tough. I mean, how could you make a collie the bad guy? It doesn't even look tough, or an irish, or a corgi etc.. ;-)

If you stayed and watched the credits, they showed that ALL of the dogs came back and became sort of therapy type dogs living in that retirement center and playing with the old folk! The dobe, rottie, all of them.
 

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pit bulls in movies...

I bet no one here can name five separate movies that have pit bulls that DON'T feature in them in one of these scenarios...

a. barking its head off on a chain in front of some thug/gangster type person's house.

b. attacking someone

c. house dog in a crackhouse.

d. associated with criminal activity.


and yet....ALL of the pit bulls I know...are owned by middle aged suburbanites or twentysomething aged dog nerds(you know...the type of people who go to shows, volunteer at shelters, know the difference between OFA and Pennhip, know what Shutzhund and Mondioring are, etc etc) ...
 

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I thought the dogs of "Up" were a lot of fun. That Golden, such a typical golden. LOL I didn't mind them making those breeds tough. I mean, how could you make a collie the bad guy? It doesn't even look tough, or an irish, or a corgi etc.. ;-)

If you stayed and watched the credits, they showed that ALL of the dogs came back and became sort of therapy type dogs living in that retirement center and playing with the old folk! The dobe, rottie, all of them.
Actually there are a lot of breeds that could be taught to be mean. That is what happened in the movie as well. Hence my comment...
In the end ALL of the dogs were friendly supportive and doing good things. I give them credit for showing that it is really all about the owner when it comes to things like that


Zim, Other then "The Little Rascals" I cannot think of anything where Pit Bulls were portrayed in any other manner. There might be some, I am not an avid movie goer. As you could tell by my choice of movies... Not the kind where they are portrayed at all. LOL

I am trying to remember if there were any in Hotel Dogs. There were many dogs in general in that movie and for the most part they were all good.
 

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It honestly didn't bother me. Many people rightfully use Dobes and Rotties as guard dogs, which is how they were used in the film. Most of the dogs in the bad guy's enormous pack seemed like random grey and brown mutts.

If anything, I thought the film got across the point that dogs change depending on who owns them. Bad guy in charge = mean, evil dogs. Good guy in charge = dogs that volunteer at a nursing home.

pit bulls in movies...

I bet no one here can name five separate movies that have pit bulls that DON'T feature in them in one of these scenarios...
1) Cheaper by the Dozen
2) Flashdance
3) Snatch
4) The Little Rascals (original series and remake movie)
5) & 6) Homeward Bound and Homeward Bound II (okay, technically the dog that played Chance is an American Bulldog, but still...)
7) Garfield

In addition, there's a Pit on South Park and a Pit puppy in the Clifford stories.

Also...can anyone confirm that Superman had a crime fighting Pit?
 

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Did flash dance have a PB?...LOL...For some reason that popped into my head



I think any breed can be drawn to look mean...so thats not really a good reason IMO.....I can name quite a few small fuzzy creatures that have been draw "bad" ;)

Its been a while since I've seen snatch..but I don't remember them showing dogs in a good light?....I probably just need to watch it again

EDIT: LOL now I remember...hey FB no fair using THE PIT STOP ;)
 

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I wouldn't count Homeward bound..not a pit bull.

or Snatch...(d. associated with criminal activity)

I've never seen Flashdance...not my kind of flick...but maybe Ill check it out now..

but still you get my point...

If I did think about it I could probably name at least 100 movies that showed pits negatively...

heck..even Babe had a bull terrier that was referred to in the movie as a PB that was shown as a mean dog.
 

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I guess it goes back to the stereotyping we were discussing in the Transformers thread. This is just a case of dogs being stereotyped and, as is sometimes the case, the stereotype has at least some foundation in fact. Dobies and Rotties are used for guarding and protection. They are more often found in Shutzhund activities. The police and military often choose them to work with. They are often owned by unsavory people. They are very large and very dark, which is fundamentally intimidating to human beings of nearly every culture. If you were looking for a bad guy dog, it would seem that they would be a more natural choice than, say, a yellow Lab or a Chihuahua.

Ditzes are blonde, good guys ride white horses, bad men have mustaches, sidekicks are either ugly or stupid...movies and books are full of stereotypes like these and I don't think most of them are harmful.
 

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Well, I guess you could say I'm on the fence. On one hand I can totally understand where a few of you are coming from and honestly, I'm not exactly smiling when I see an APBT being used as the typical 'tough dog' in movies and TV. While on the other hand, I also understand why Hollywood uses the breeds they do and tend to believe that breed wouldn't matter all that much anyway. If they DID use Goldies or some other breed, I can guarantee there would be people who had a problem with it. The simple fact is no one wants their breed to be the 'bad guy'.

But when it comes down to it, I don't think it's much different then when people play the bad guy. For example, a lot of movies feature young males in hip hop/gangster type clothing as wash out delinquents. But most people realize that in the real world, not everyone dressed that way falls into the 'thug' category. Those in the movie are just acting or in the case of dogs, doing what they're trained to do. YES there are people who would take these roles seriously and say "SEE, those dogs are vicious!"...but those are also the same people who would be screaming that no matter what you did. I know there are some groups that fight having their breeds portrayed 'tough' in movies, but IMO it's a much more productive fight to teach people that those dogs are trained to simulate 'aggressive' behaviors instead. To teach them that off screen the 'role' that dog is playing falls away, just as it does with people.

So basically what I'm saying is that there's no way for Hollywood to strike it good with everyone. But for the most part (and I am fully aware of the struggles with BSL and the like - believe me) people do realize that TV is TV and life is life. In the end then, I don't really fault the movies. And when they have an ending as UP seems to have (I haven't seen it yet so I'm just going off what's been said here) it just makes it all the better.
 

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I wouldn't count Homeward bound..not a pit bull.

or Snatch...(d. associated with criminal activity)

I've never seen Flashdance...not my kind of flick...but maybe Ill check it out now..

but still you get my point...

If I did think about it I could probably name at least 100 movies that showed pits negatively...

heck..even Babe had a bull terrier that was referred to in the movie as a PB that was shown as a mean dog.
I guess this just doesn't have any meaning to me. I've seen at least 100 movies in which a man cheats on a woman, but I still date men.

I think a majority of people are smart enough to know that what they see in a film (or in many films) isn't the whole truth. Or even the truth at all. Should we stop making movies and writing books because some people believe that everything they see and read is the gospel truth?

ETA: I see we're cross posting, Dakota!
 

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Well, I guess you could say I'm on the fence. On one hand I can totally understand where a few of you are coming from and honestly, I'm not exactly smiling when I see an APBT being used as the typical 'tough dog' in movies and TV. While on the other hand, I also understand why Hollywood uses the breeds they do and tend to believe that breed wouldn't matter all that much anyway. If they DID use Goldies or some other breed, I can guarantee there would be people who had a problem with it. The simple fact is no one wants their breed to be the 'bad guy'.

But when it comes down to it, I don't think it's much different then when people play the bad guy. For example, a lot of movies feature young males in hip hop/gangster type clothing as wash out delinquents. But most people realize that in the real world, not everyone dressed that way falls into the 'thug' category. Those in the movie are just acting or in the case of dogs, doing what they're trained to do. YES there are people who would take these roles seriously and say "SEE, those dogs are vicious!"...but those are also the same people who would be screaming that no matter what you did. I know there are some groups that fight having their breeds portrayed 'tough' in movies, but IMO it's a much more productive fight to teach people that those dogs are trained to simulate 'aggressive' behaviors instead. To teach them that off screen the 'role' that dog is playing falls away, just as it does with people.

So basically what I'm saying is that there's no way for Hollywood to strike it good with everyone. But for the most part (and I am fully aware of the struggles with BSL and the like - believe me) people do realize that TV is TV and life is life. In the end then, I don't really fault the movies. And when they have an ending as UP seems to have (I haven't seen it yet so I'm just going off what's been said here) it just makes it all the better.
I agree 100%. I don't like seeing it, but I can't fault the movies.

Honestly, breeds portrayed in movies AT ALL are going to take a hit, whether they are good dogs or bad dogs. It's the stupidity of human nature. Ohh cute Dalmation, now lets go out and get one from a horrible BYB so it can wind up crazy and deaf. Ohhh I don't like Pit Bulls I've seen them, they're soooo aggressive. Goes both ways. It's not really the movie maker's responsibility to temper their work with this kind of stuff in mind. It's good if they DO do things with the dogs benefit and their reputations in mind, but they aren't required to.

In some ways maybe it's better for Dobies and Rotties etc. to be the bad guys... you won't have droves of dog-ignorant people going out to buy them from Pet Stores like you see with Huskies (8 Below, Snow Dogs), Golden Retreivers (Air Bud, Homeward), JRTs (My Dog Skip) and the like.
 

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I guess this just doesn't have any meaning to me. I've seen at least 100 movies in which a man cheats on a woman, but I still date men.

I think a majority of people are smart enough to know that what they see in a film (or in many films) isn't the whole truth. Or even the truth at all. Should we stop making movies and writing books because some people believe that everything they see and read is the gospel truth?

ETA: I see we're cross posting, Dakota!


I agree .....it just make me sad to see my breed being portrayed as the "bad" dog...but its not something that gets my panties in a twist or anything....there are much bigger issues out there.....but but it does make me frown for a moment when I see it....:cool:
 

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I agree .....it just make me sad to see my breed being portrayed as the "bad" dog...but its not something that gets my panties in a twist or anything....there are much bigger issues out there.....but but it does make me frown for a moment when I see it....:cool:
No, no, I absolutely understand this. I'm a natural blonde and you have no idea how many people think it's super funny to tell me every blonde joke they've ever heard. I also get somewhat defensive toward people who have been convinced by their favorite movies and video games that my metroplex (Los Angeles) is a crime ridden ghetto.

I completely get why you'd frown or feel sad. It's the twisted panties that I don't get. Haha...twisted panties...
 

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In some ways maybe it's better for Dobies and Rotties etc. to be the bad guys... you won't have droves of dog-ignorant people going out to buy them from Pet Stores like you see with Huskies (8 Below, Snow Dogs), Golden Retreivers (Air Bud, Homeward), JRTs (My Dog Skip) and the like.

Oh honey, How I wish that were true. Sadly, it only backs off the "good home" types. The tough guy types that want to portray themselves as tough see things like that and go "oh, I need a tough dog to make me look even more, tough"
Yeah, I know I am not up on the common terms right now. lol

No, no, I absolutely understand this. I'm a natural blonde and you have no idea how many people think it's super funny to tell me every blonde joke they've ever heard.
See it is not fair, I had to suffer through that as well. Now that I am older, my hair is not as blonde as i once was but... I heard them all also. :( ha ha
 

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Oh honey, How I wish that were true. Sadly, it only backs off the "good home" types. The tough guy types that want to portray themselves as tough see things like that and go "oh, I need a tough dog to make me look even more, tough"
Yeah, I know I am not up on the common terms right now. lol
Really? I'd think the people in the good homes would know better than to follow movie stereotypes. Anyone who falls prey to them has some level of dog-ignorance, in my opinion.
 

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I guess this just doesn't have any meaning to me. I've seen at least 100 movies in which a man cheats on a woman, but I still date men.

I think a majority of people are smart enough to know that what they see in a film (or in many films) isn't the whole truth. Or even the truth at all. Should we stop making movies and writing books because some people believe that everything they see and read is the gospel truth?
I'd say no to your question but do wonder...are the majority of people watching Up "smart" enough to know a stereotype when they see one? When I saw Up the majority of those in attendance were kids, and many of them without an adult escort.

I don't wear panties...often, so I think I can safely say this without them getting in a bunch... Saying X is an offensive stereotype, and Y is not, is not saying Up should be banned; other truths apply - which the majority of youth may not be capable of discerning for themselves. They need someone to explain what is good, and what is not. Frankly, there are some "smart" adults who need a reminder every now and then too (you excluded, of course :D).
 
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